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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Jun 17, 2016 - 10:40pm PT
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but in their defense what other options do they have? Negotiate?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 17, 2016 - 11:44pm PT
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Only with people who choose to be morons, Cosmic.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:00am PT
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Only with people who choose to be morons...
How come you get a free pass then?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:08am PT
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We voted for Obama to get the troops out of Iraq
He did what the people wanted, even though it was already in the works because of the Bush agreement to remove all troops by 2012
Now you guys say that removing the troops was the wrong thing to do, I say go f*#k yourselves with your BS hypocrisy
Were the troops to stay there forever? yes or no?
If Bush didn't invade in the first place, we would never even be talking about this blame game. All blame goes straight to Bush, he should have never conducted his illegal invasion of a unarmed country. and then add torture to the mix, Bush should be in jail for LIFE. These are War Crimes, punishable by Death according to our laws.
Here's my last word.
McCain stooped to a new low with his LIE about Obama to be to blame about the Orlando shooting, they should run that guy out of town, what a scum bag
It's a typical reaction of a right winger in trouble at the polls, say something so vitriolic that it wakes up the base of knuckledragger hate mongers, they will come to your rescue with unlimited support
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:13am PT
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Iraq also wanted them to leave.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:32am PT
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Not sacking the oil fields to pay for the invasion was a stupid thing to do. I've a pretty low opinion of those who decided to give it back to the losers who lost control of it.
WTF?
So we should have made the Iraqis give us all their oil?
I thought we were there for Freedom, liberty and democracy.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:35am PT
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What booty did we extract from Vietnam or Japan?
SO invasions are all about extracting riches from our victims?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:40am PT
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Pretty simple math, imo. Otherwise, we the taxpayers get to pay for it, WTF?
When have we not paid for them (wars, invasions)?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:48am PT
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I think your idea of extraction of riches to pay for your invasion would be considered a war crime.
There are laws against it.
The people get stuck with the high bill if they like it or not.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:16am PT
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McCain stooped to a new low with his LIE about Obama to be to blame about the Orlando shooting, they should run that guy out of town, what a scum bag
This is what happens when you let a senile, 80 yr old man run for reelection.
The invasion of Iraq was one of the biggest mistakes ever committed by this country.
In regards to Afghanistan, our fight was with Al Qaida, not the Taliban controlled government,
And maybe we should have learned something from the Soviets experience.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 09:00am PT
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10b 'We' learned, unfortunately 'They' didn't. Most likely because 'They' thought they could create their own reality per Mr. Rumsfeld.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 18, 2016 - 09:24am PT
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Klimmer...have you ever heard of thing called factcheck????
Sept. 11, 2002: Howard Stern asks Trump if he supports invading Iraq. Trump answers hesitantly. “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night of President Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jun 18, 2016 - 09:33am PT
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Trump has lot's of friends in Iraq...Really good friends...! Saddam Hussein was one of them...Really good golfer...Great leader...Great putter...Great looking daughter...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 10:34am PT
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Yeah, if Obama was not making a booty call, why in the hell did he and his posse (was it pussy? memory is not clear here) invade Iraq?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 10:52am PT
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“I was against the war from the very beginning, all the way back in 2004.”
Um...the war started in 2003. And he was on record before the war supporting it.
I don't really care what his actual position was. But his lies about how he has had a consistent position is troubling, and so are his kool aid drinking defenders foolishly thinking he is some kind of prophetic truthsayer.
He's actually a f*#king idiot. I know more about current issues, and so do most others posting here, than he does. I'm not saying that to brag, I'm saying that because it is a real problem that we know more than the nominee for president.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 18, 2016 - 11:03am PT
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I was against the Iraq invasion all the up to it's beginning. Then I just hoped they/we knew what they were doing.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:52pm PT
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Yes, trump said it so it must be true.
"Drink the kool aid, Klimmer. Have a huuuuuuge glass. It's tremendous!"
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
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Who honestly gives a f*#k what Trump thinks or said 10 years ago...He has severe credibility issues and zero experience in governing...He's a glorified real estate agent ( dirt pimp ) posing as presidential material...can we fast forward to nov. and get rid of this pompous jackass...
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
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Rj, that's gold.
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