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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:08am PT
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Sure Ed, but DOE is only one department of government that funding is funneled through. Missing from the budgets of multitudes of government bureacracies, providing funding to this monster, is ear marks like exposed in this article. Scroll down the article to the list- 600 million for climate change research. Now, this small contribution to climate change studies many billions in multi sourced fundings will really encourage study independent of "the consensus", wont it?
http://www.mrc.org/articles/hurricane-sandy-relief-networks-attack-gop-mention-pork-only-15-time
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:11am PT
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Pretty weak Ed, hiding behind the skirts of legislative language and not even all of it at that.
Bruce, that Ayn Rand disciple was an ignoramus at best, the criminal of the century at worst, between is nothing i ever saw as admirable.
Chief, you need to put a backup prevention valve on your sewage line to keep the turds from climbing back out to the surface. When you flush them they should be gone, for good.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:22am PT
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Yes, of course Chief, sometimes i forget we should never question what Bagdad Ed, Larry, Moe , and Curly have to say on this most somber subject.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:45am PT
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Bruce, you should be glad we are here to entertain, ignore, and dismiss your "points". I imagine you'd be a lonely fellow if you didn't have the likes of us to laugh with and at you.
Signing off for awhile. Not taking a computer on my southwest tour starting tomorrow.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 30, 2013 - 07:40am PT
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Yep smoking crack,so I can think on your level,CHEF.
I called you on our part of mitigation,and our demand that the gov.will take care of this,you are wrong.
As for not being COMPLETELY carbon neutral,you are RIGHT.A couple of trucks is all that stands between that.
That Ducati Diesel looks to be awesome,and as far as finding Biodiesel there is a map for that on google ,it is more prevelant than you may believe.Look it up .
If you would like biodiesel to be more readily available,lets see if it would ever be subsidized.[yeah that might happen]
Part of my buisness is mitigation,installing solar.
You are FOS.
Ed ,glad you set everybody straight about funding,another thing I have contended all along.thanks.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:49am PT
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Good morning, Rick Poedtke.
The fact that all Electrical Power/Energy in the U.S. comes from Privately owned Power Sources and Grids. As well as all the fuel stations that the American people pump petrol into their vehicles.
Do a google for 'rural electrification program'. It's interesting.
Here's one hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Utilities_Service
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 10:45am PT
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What a moron you truly are GARY.
Good morning, to you, Rick Poedtke. Just thought you might find it an interesting subject. Sorry to have bothered you.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 30, 2013 - 10:59am PT
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Thanks DMT.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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Rick Poedtke wrote:
In other words DMT, PRIVATE money and PRIVATE entities BITD.
Ah, the Free Market way.
No, nothing free market about it. You should read Cadillac Desert.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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Most studies involving climate change, like the great majority that Cook et al. review, are not themselves attribution research so they make no original claims about what percent of warming is due to what. The IPCC reports on the other hand have the synthesis of attribution research as one of their objectives. Here's how the IPCC AR5 (in a statement that befuddles some innumerates) summarizes the state of the art:
It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
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THEY ARE CALLED ALTERNATIVES!
Kindly list said alternatives.
JL
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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Well heck fire. It almost sounds like them IPCC folks are saying man caused ALL of the recent warming. Without all our anthropogenic contributions, we'd be enjoying global temperatures last seen in the 1950s.
Is that the consensus?
Except for your 1950s part, that is the "best estimate" in the IPCC AR5 consensus.
Most of the world's main scientist organizations (in the US the NAS, AAAS, AMS, ACS, AGU and so forth) have endorsed the conclusions of AR4, which was less a bit less confident and detailed; the difference reflects new research over the past 6 years. The AR4 summary:
Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.
Contrast with the AR5 summary:
It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
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Rick Poedtke wrote:
WTF does DAM building have to do with the fact that MOST of the US power grids are PRIVATELY/PUBLICLY Investor Owned and operated.
One excellent example is Shasta Lake Dam, built by the Federal Bureau of Reclamation.
http://www.usbr.gov/mp/ncao/
The dam's other major purpose is to generate hydroelectricity. With a hydraulic head of 330 feet (100 m), the dam is capable of generating 676 megawatts (MW) from five turbines – a pair of 125 MW units and three 142 MW units. Each of the turbines is driven by a high-pressure jet of water fed by a steel penstock 15 feet (4.6 m) in diameter. Two smaller turbines generate power for operations at the dam itself. The plant serves to generate peaking power for the northern Sacramento Valley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasta_Dam
I hope that answers your question.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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It's too bad you need to be an as#@&%e with such consistency.
And it is bad that you are such an idiot with such consistency.
I read the entire article. Dana Nuccitelli demonstrates the same kind of intellectual dishonesty that is seen in the Cook et al paper.
Intellectual dishonesty when he is using information from the IPCC report? The same information that chiloe gave above.
All you did in the past was to call him a liar. I really doubt that you have read the article.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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And if you weren't such a myopic dumbass, you'd easily see Nuccitelli's lies.
Sketch seems to know only two tricks: sh#t-stained insults, and calling people liars.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
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And if you weren't such a myopic dumbass, you'd easily see Nuccitelli's lies.
I am sure that the chief, rick and ron agrees with you but very few thinking people.
I just found it ironic when the first hit in google when I googled the IPCC quote were an article that you have claimed that you have read (but of course didn't like).
"It is extremely likely [95 percent confidence] more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together."
"The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period ... The observed warming since 1951 can be attributed to the different natural and anthropogenic drivers and their contributions can now be quantified. Greenhouse gases contributed a global mean surface warming likely to be in the range of 0.5°C to 1.3 °C over the period 1951−2010, with the contributions from other anthropogenic forcings, including the cooling effect of aerosols, likely to be in the range of −0.6°C to 0.1°C."
"The contribution from natural forcings is likely to be in the range of −0.1°C to 0.1°C, and from internal variability is likely to be in the range of −0.1°C to 0.1°C."
Is actually quote strongly suggest the conclusion that he made in the title.
But how would you know, you would need to have read the article... understand the article... putting your biases to the side and considered what he wrote... Neither of which is very likely to ever happen.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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It's likely that more than half... no... um... I'm mean ALL of the warming was caused by man.
More than half? All?
Such latitude.
It's all so confusing.
I need a nap.
When I posted my note about the AR5 summary I included a parenthetical remark about innumerates,
Here's how the IPCC AR5 (in a statement that befuddles some innumerates) summarizes the state of the art:
then I thought, that's too snarky, I should take it out. But then I thought naw, Sketch will express befuddlement and prove the point true. As he did.
For the numerate, or anyone open to learning: the AR5 statement below incorporates both an interval and a point estimate, like a confidence interval and a mean.
It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
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This is no different. Not one bit.
Just because you don't any science don't mean that science don't give any information.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 30, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
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The fact that all Electrical Power/Energy in the U.S. comes from Privately owned Power Sources and Grids. As well as all the fuel stations that the American people pump petrol into their vehicles.
Not one of the above is owned, managed by or directly regulated in any way by.... The U.S. Gov't.
I've highlighted the section you should study further, Chief.
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