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trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
Obama has zero respect from me. He cannot admit when he made bad decisions. The first interview with him after ISIS decapitated the journalists he blamed everyone else but himself. He is a spineless coward
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 17, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
From Wiipedia:

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1] The pact required criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and required a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that were not related to combat.[1] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity. If U.S. forces committed still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they would have been subjected to an undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certified the forces were off-duty.[2][3][1][4]

The agreement expired at midnight on December 31, 2011, even though the United States completed its final withdrawal of troops from Iraq on December 16, 2011. The symbolic ceremony in Baghdad officially "cased" (retired) the flag of U.S. forces in Iraq, according to army tradition.[5]

Edit: Klimmer, I didn't make this up, this is f*#king history. Search for yourself; it's pretty simple.

Edited to add: Klimmer, you're (notice the correct grammar) an idiot.

Redited to add: Sorry, Klimmer, couldn't find lots of youtube videos for you (I didn't even try, to be honest). I'm sure you can though, just give it a little little try. Post the results. You will be graded on a curve.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jun 17, 2016 - 08:53pm PT
Google it yourself Klimmer...Don't be lazy...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jun 17, 2016 - 08:54pm PT
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

Klimmer, don't you read back thread before you join back in the debate

we already talked about how Bush created ISIS this morning!!!

are you saying that you don't even read the other posts on this thread?

Bush pulled the troops

but it was the initial invasion of Iraq that created ISIS

Bush fired all the Gov. and Military Iraqis after we took control
They became ISIS

What else were they going to do, they couldn't get a job with the tyrannical occupiers of their country
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
^^^ There is plenty of it to go around with both parties!
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:11pm PT
Donald Trump is not a perfect man. He admits it. I'm sure he would apologize for saying that. He does at times mis-speak.

how many times have you posted that line or similar on this thread? Tell you anything?
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:15pm PT
you will be surprise to see how middle east politics could change the American Election in 2016 as it did in 1979
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
^^^Does this thread tell you anything? 10,000 pages of trump haters posting how awful trump is and how everything is going to be ok because he cannot win.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
The middle east, in my opinion, is of absolute importance in this election and world politics in general. I am very interested to learn more. Why do you think this is so?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:28pm PT
Klimer, from Time Magazine, October 21, 2011, but, admittedly, sort of an American bullshit type of news source:

In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.”

But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

So, while U.S. commanders would have liked to have kept a division or more behind in Iraq to face any contingencies — and, increasingly, Administration figures had begun citing the challenge of Iran, next door — it was Iraqi democracy that put the kibosh on that goal. The Bush Administration had agreed in 2004 to restore Iraqi sovereignty, and in 2005 put the country’s elected government in charge of shaping its destiny. But President Bush hadn’t anticipated that Iraqi democracy would see pro-U.S. parties sidelined and would, instead, consistently return governments closer to Tehran than they are to Washington. Contra expectations, a democratic Iraq has turned out to be at odds with much of U.S. regional strategy — first and foremost its campaign to isolate Iran.

Need more? There's lots out there, since this actually happened. Klimmer, history and reality are both bitches.

trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:31pm PT
Who had the final say to remove American forces from Iraq?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
Please see above; it's pretty clear.

Edited to add: The SOF agreement, signed by George Bush, agreed to withdraw all US forces from Iraq by January 1, 2012. Obama had no choice in this, as the Iraqis would not negotiate a new agreement that kept US forces in Iraqi out Iraqi legal control. Obama simply did what George Bush had agreed to do, although he did try to negotiate a new treaty with Iraq with no success.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:42pm PT
Klimmer, why would you support a candidate who has no experience in government, and knows nothing of geopolitics?
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:45pm PT
Oh I see. Obama is truly innocent of all accountability of the presidential responsibilities. I say we give him another Nobel peace prize.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jun 17, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
WTF trail? George Bush negotiated and signed a SOF agreement with Iraq that required all US forces to leave Iraq by January 1, 2012. When Obama withdrew those forces, it was due to an agreement Bush made (which was before Obama was actually president). So Obama is responsible for agreements Bush made? Holy time machine, Batman.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
Yikes you seem pretty upset. I am simply presenting a counter argument to your 10 commandments. But that makes me a f*#king idiot.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 10:06pm PT
For gods sake he is the f*#king president, whom was so proud(and it was a vital part of his presidential campaign) to bring home our troops. Right or wrong; own your decisions its Presidential to do so. It is done, I am not blaming him for ISIS, just don't immune him from what he was so proud of.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 10:08pm PT
oh wait.. I am just a idiot and a racist. ignore me
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jun 17, 2016 - 10:26pm PT
What specifically would Chump do differently against Daesh?

So far he has said nothing of any substance whatsoever.

Please enlighten us benighted pagans K.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Jun 17, 2016 - 10:32pm PT
He would do what all American presidents do and wage an expensive war against them. Samething Hillary will do and Obama did.
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