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raymond phule
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Oct 29, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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The author of the paper don't even seem to agree with you... which actually were your claim bu you can't admit that you were wrong once again.
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raymond phule
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Oct 29, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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So where are your several authors? So far you have managed to find 0 but I am sure that you are going to nitpick one abstract in many more posts.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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You are still a liar (with you definition) independent of whatever you think about that abstract.
You obviously have no problem at all with shooting from the hip while writing your posts, details don't matter at all, but when discussing what other people write the details start to matter so much that it needs to be completely impossibly to even came up with a different interpretation than the intended one how unlikely it is.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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"The author of the paper don't even seem to agree with you... which actually were your claim bu you can't admit that you were wrong once again."
No. This is just another example of making up details to support your position.
The abstract said "anthropogenic-added climate forcing might have progressively played a dominant role in climate
Do you know what "might" means?
Please, read what I write. The author in your own source say for example
"By using the 50% borderline a lot of so-called "skeptical works" including some of mine are included in their 97%.""
He doesn't seem to agree with your interpretation of his work and that was my point.
Still where are the several authors. You so far have found 0.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
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OK, let me try this again:
And you expect us that do not believe in your coy CAGW ideology to turn around and succumb to it?
 The Chief
Hey The Chief, what makes you believe that your ideology is correct?
Why is it that what you read is not propaganda, while you believe the the publications of the IPCC is propaganda? How can you tell what's right and what's wrong?
There. I took out everything with which you can deflect the basic question. Now, can you answer it and make a stand on the claims you make??
Or are you going change the subject and start name calling again?
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Oct 29, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
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The star we call the Sun controls the Earth's climate.
Water vapor is the only greenhouse gas that matters.
Global warming only exists on paper. That's a given.
Warmists' are disappointed that out in the real world there are no climate
catastrophes caused by CO2 while their computer models say there should be.
So they are reduced to making fools of themselves claiming
normal weather is a climate disaster and the low info types believe it.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 29, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
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Yep, and water vapor is a strong positive feedback for CO2 warming, multiplying the effect of CO2.
Thanks for playing.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Oct 29, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
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After all of this talk and citing this and that, what is the general consensus per global warming?
Knowing none of the science whatsoever, I have still thought it queer that anyone should think we can dump a gazillion tons of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere daily and not suffer some fallout.
JL
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
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Who ever said we or I did not believe in personal action/steps or where DID I say it was up to the government.Show me CHEF.
I have said all along let the free market decide mitigation,but your stockholder ,d#@&%e bag ,oil dickhead friends will not let that happen .
You are nothing but FULL OF SH#T,LITTLE MAN!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Oct 29, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
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I have said all along let the free market decide mitigation
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Don't know of many examples where the free market does anything that might diminish the bottom line. So unless someone can come up with a way to profit from attempting to diminish global warming, I don't see the free market mitigating much other than an a@# fuc&^%$ as they used to say in Deadwood.
JL
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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THEY ARE CALLED ALTERNATIVES!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
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THATS RIGHT,YOU ARE FULL OF SH#T.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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Let me make myself perfectly clear,you and yours are the only ones that insist WE want government to BAIL us out of this predicament.
You AND yours,only.
Yes you can call some of us hypocrites,you are as well,motorcycle boy.
I HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY,to push alternatives in my locale,it is finally taking hold,here.
I do not hold that over people as you do.
I have always wanted the free market to decide this ,period,you and yours,the champions of such,have never offered a peep.
So when you say what you did,CHEF,YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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I run biodiesel,carbon neutral,look it up.
I do not recall anybody saying the government will fix this for us.
Anyone.
If you believe policy change is BAILING us out of this ,FINE.
As for a town of 10,look up Honeoye Falls,New York.
Landfill free,recycle and compost.
Taking your trash to the dump is very 1965.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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Buffalo Biodiesel.com,look it up.It is b-100,b-85,we now have 2 pumps in town.
It is derived from restaurant waste and fryer oil,chicken sh#t, and biomass.
Several friends homebrew.
Carbon Neutral.They run their plant on solar /wind. Even their delivery trucks use it.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 29, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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Wrong again CHEF,I said their delivery trucks and they are connected to the grid ,power just goes back to it.
End user,carbon neutral.
You are still FOS that no one here takes personal action.
And FOS about the gov.
Hope you have to shovel.I dont know about where you live but it used to snow here in late september.We had our first killing frost this morning and later this week bicycling weather.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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They insist it is not a personal action that can be part of the solution. Rather one that only the government/s action can extinguish.
Actually this is where you have it wrong. It's not that the governments need to solve the problem for us. Instead, it is that we cannot do it without the full support of the governments. Individuals can do their own little things, but it's not they who build energy and transportation grids. Governments do that.
Hey, ever see Rodger Rabbit?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 29, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
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Of course 97-98% of the career doomists most actively publishing in the anthropogenic climate change field support the consensus that is funded by the mega bucks of the government/ NGO's/ corporate CAGW heavy industry, Edward. They find endless mitigation schemery by the hypocritical mouthful most profitable, while at the same time being responsible for much higher per capita emissions than those they seek to corral and control through behavioral modification taxation. JL said mitigation wasn't likely minus the profit motive. I invite him to do a thorough investigation of this most foul industry.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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When I was in Jakarta, Indonesia I watched 1000 guys in loincloths with straw baskets carrying dirt make their first freeway in 100 plus temperature.
They had 1 road grader.
Americans .... lazy overly spoiled stupid ass people .....
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