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apogee
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Jul 22, 2016 - 09:32am PT
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I agree with you about complacency, but it's too early to take those polls too seriously.
Gotta get past the Conventions at least a couple of weeks. Then things should start looking clearer.
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Coach37
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Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 09:33am PT
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why are they so pissed about him
Jody, my take is that Trump supporters are authoritarians at heart, and Trump's "brand" in politics is Dominanace. Some news outlets have written about the authoritarian inclination being the best predictor of someone being a Trump supporter.
So it makes sense to me they are pissed. Because Ted is not accepting beintg dominated by Trump, and is not getting in line behind the strongman like a good authoritarian should. They see him as betraying them.
Personally, I find Cruz to be a slimy, smarmy, dishonest, retrograde nut. But he is cunning, highly intelligent, with a rebellious/anti-authority streak (ask Mitch McConnell!) To expect that he would have acted differently is not rational, but you know that the Trump supporters do really do "rational", they do "reactionary".
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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I should add that this is why Trump's speech is so scary. He is very much selling the idea "America is beset on all sides and from within by brown people and only I can fix it through sheer overpower will." He has no specific plan, just a sense that he will crush America's enemies outside and within. Even his bit on LGBTQ was solely about protecting them from outside threats, not about protecting their rights as Americans.
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Jul 22, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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The RNC crowd literally cheered when the officer was acquitted for the murder of a young man who suffered a broken neck and died while in police custody.
Would you back that up?
I don't know of anyone who cheered any of those acquittals. Then again, I don't watch cable news.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:17am PT
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I should add that this is why Trump's speech is so scary. He is very much selling the idea "America is beset on all sides and from within by brown people and only I can fix it through sheer overpower will." He has no specific plan, just a sense that he will crush America's enemies outside and within.
I'll admit that this sounds unusual after a decade of weakness. And if you look at everything through a racial lens. Trump isn't harping on 'the browns' because their brown or 'inferior' or whatever.
We are being screwed, and we don't care about the color doing it. Japan, China, Mexico, and our civilian-killing muzzie friends are all clear problems that need to be addressed. And we shouldn't have to kiss their asses to get things fixed.
We need to talk frankly about issues.
Even his bit on LGBTQ was solely about protecting them from outside threats, not about protecting their rights as Americans.
Well, he can just do no right, can he? I think he was referring to the fact that Republicans have a better plan for defending ALL PEOPLE from real intolerance, not perceived grievances.
Thiel did good to speak up proudly as a gay man, but to also emphasize that we should not be focusing on all this SOCIAL BULLSH#T right now. The crowd cheered that line!
He and Milo made great points at the convention.
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dirtbag
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:33am PT
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Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays. Their applause is phony: they hate gay people.
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apogee
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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Coolest. First. Lady. EVER.
Gonna miss her (as our FLOTUS).
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:58am PT
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Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays. Their applause is phony: they hate gay people.
If you say so, I guess it's true, right? That's what everyone else is doing.
Repubs are also racists who hate minorities, hate women, and minority lesbians too, right?
There's only one little problem. That's just your opinion. Republicans don't celebrate gay lifestyles, they celebrate people. They celebrate success and freedom, and that means also being gay.
But, like religion, these social issues should take a back seat to more relevant, more important issues that effect ALL AMERICANS.
To focus and gays, women, men, or one aspect of American culture is stupid and divisive.
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apogee
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:00am PT
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Jesus, blue....you are so divorced from reality on that point.
Look at what dirtbag said:
"Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays."
Platform.
He didn't say that all Republicans are hateful towards gays...he said the PARTY has a hateful PLATFORM towards gays.
And that is undeniably true.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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I can foresee a not-sub-par ticket of
Cruz & Cruise
in 2020.
Scientology shakes hands with the Devil.
Tom's teeth are way better and he's gonna have to "back off" on some that sodomy business and Ted's gonna have to submit to (at least one) rectal E-meter reading.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:22am PT
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"Republicans have an absolutely hateful platform towards gays."
That's a fair enough distinction, but hateful? I don't see it.
This is the problem that the Left created, rather cleverly from Orwell, a way to change language. Change the language, and the meaning of words/phrases.
Hateful? That would describe a radical Islamist just as he launches another fag from the roof of a building, because he was gay. (Not a lot lesbians we know of in that culture, yet).
The republican party does not hate gay people. They tend to disagree with that lifestyle. Is that a problem?
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Craig Fry
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So Cal.
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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Yes
it is a problem
They are implementing laws that allow for discrimination against LBGTQ
Legalizing discrimination against any group is Not part of our Constitution
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:26am PT
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One of the biggest issues you have with Islam is the fact that they are oppressive of individual rights, correct?
The GOP has a clear, demonstrated history of legislatively oppressing the individual rights of LGBT's.
Got it?
Stop acting coyly obtuse, bluering.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:33am PT
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The republican party does not hate gay people. They tend to disagree with that lifestyle. Is that a problem?
gay lifestyle? You mean because they like to hang out together and have sex, right?
I agree Blue that is not a problem for individual republicans to feel or think that way
but I do think it is a problem in that it negatively hurts Republican Politicians chances to get elected
not that there are that many gay people who vote, maybe less than 10%, but the problem is that the Republican party is then seen, viewed, as being less tolerant of groups of people they don't like or agree with
and you gotta get elected first in order to put your party's platform into law, right?
The Republicans have lost the popular vote now in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections so it seems pretty clear that the voters have some real problems with the party
any thoughts as to why that is, anyone?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:34am PT
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This doesn't exactly scream "we love you" to certain populations in my opinion. Maybe others see it differently.
Marriage, Family, and Society
Foremost among those institutions is the American family. It is the foundation of civil society, and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman. Its daily lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to the order and progress of our Republic. (from page 31)
We oppose policies and laws that create a financial incentive for or encourage cohabitation. (page 31)
Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities. (Pps 31-32)
https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:38am PT
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Fine, vote Democrat.
This is the problem with the Dem party you don't get. Obsession with silly, trivial stuff. Ignoring the realities.
Gays are fine. Ask Milo.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:40am PT
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HDDJ - You da best.
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