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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 17, 2014 - 11:55am PT
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This thread is awesome. A gift that keeps giving like the drip drip drip of gonnorhea.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Apr 17, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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I heer they got guns and nice lips in Neevaduh
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 17, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
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But duz they haza Wallmart? Ah needs me sum mo bullits fer my varmit gun.
Them daymned revuenewrs iz varmits ima tellin ya.
Oh just for the record the Solar Project was intended to be miles away from Bundy's cows in Squaterstan. AND!!! The Chinese pulled out of the project a month before Bundy got his marching orders. No Solar project, no collusion get it? No of course not.
What y'all ought to be doing is marching your armed patriotic fat asses down to the Chinese Embassy and threaten them. After all their cancelling of the project cost Nevadastan thousands of good paying jobs. Heck even Cletus T Bunny Stuffer could have had a good job. Guess they'd rather shovel cow crap all day.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
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Meanwhile, I lerned sumpin on SuperTopo today:
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John M
climber
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Apr 17, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
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Ron.. what do you say to the link you posted as being the facts saying this..
This video is down until we get to the bottom of this story.
UPDATE:
We took down our video on the Bundy Ranch scandal because it contains what we believe is a factual error and it would be irresponsible to leave it up in its current form. Especially in the current context. We are going to begin working on a replacement video only after completing a new investigation.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 17, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
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The prospect of amalgamating Reid, the solar industry, the BLM and the Chinese was, alas, too good to be true.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 17, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
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What if Bundy ranch were owned by black people?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 17, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
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^^^^Nice avatar pic!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 17, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
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Well I will say one thing that I think, feel, know is true: The BLM, NPS, and almost all FEDs I come into contact with, are now as#@&%es of the first order.
Ranger walks into my campsite at JT with GUNs drawn!!!!! WTF??? to tell us that the quiet hour will be 12 midnite cause it's newyears eve.
Guns at the ready, just incase you know.
Keep it up Ron.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 17, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
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Guns at the ready, just incase you know.
Guyman left out the interesting part...
his gun was drawn too!
Not! Ranger types do nothing for me.
Bruce your lucky, the RCMP seem like pussycats compaired to Fed LEOs.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 17, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
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"You're a Talker". "Listening to talkers makes me thirsty. And hungry". "Bring me one of those cows".
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Apr 17, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
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An interesting closing paragraph from an Atlanta Journal Constitution article:
Let's keep the major facts and alter a couple of what ought to be minor details, just to see if it casts the situation in a new light: Instead of armed militia and federal grazing lands in Nevada, let's say the case involved black Americans in inner-city Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia or elsewhere who had seized control of federal property, refused to pay $1 million in back rent on it, refused to recognize the federal government's authority and had summoned heavily armed men to fend off federal officials who attempted to reclaim the taxpayer property.
How would Fox News and other conservative media have responded? As a celebration of "liberty and freedom!!"? Somehow I do not think so.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 17, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
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If folks are running around aiming sniper rifles at law enforcement...
You think this will lead to more or less of a police state?
Violence begat violence
And the peaceful are treated as threats
Thanks gun nuts and terrorists
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 17, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
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Bruce wrote: You breed the culture, you sow the results.
That goes way over their heads. They just don't get it.
Gun violence in the US is out of control and it isn't the leo's leading the pack.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Apr 17, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
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An interesting closing paragraph from an Atlanta Journal Constitution article:
Let's keep the major facts and alter a couple of what ought to be minor details, just to see if it casts the situation in a new light: Instead of armed militia and federal grazing lands in Nevada, let's say the case involved black Americans in inner-city Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia or elsewhere who had seized control of federal property, refused to pay $1 million in back rent on it, refused to recognize the federal government's authority and had summoned heavily armed men to fend off federal officials who attempted to reclaim the taxpayer property.
How would Fox News and other conservative media have responded? As a celebration of "liberty and freedom!!"? Somehow I do not think so.
klinefelter, that does not work as an analogy.
The Bundy incident is just the latest in what is essentially a rural issue, particularly a Western rural issue. This issue stems from very real frustration over the way that families that have lived--often for generations--on land they strongly identify with have been treated (or feel they have been treated) over the last several decades. There has been a steady shift of rural populations to cities. A shift of rural wealth away from communities and the mom & pop ranches to large corporations like Cargill, Archer Midland, Tyson. It's harder and harder for little guys to make a living out of farming/ranching in the West.
These families have a very strong bond with a vision of the land as an unchanging, permanent resource, with themselves as stewards. Hard for city people to develop that kind of bond. Cities change so fast.
Another frustration is that most of us live in cities. We understand urban problems. They in the news, are acknowledged, dealt with. There's few votes and little money in traditional Western ranching, so they get ignored.
I sympathize with the grievances of Bundy and his friends. But I think they are are being played. I think people are being played on both sides of the issue. Clever manipulators are whipping up hatred, directing it in the wrong directions, away from understanding the complex forces that are changing the West and toward irrelevant but trendy targets like EPA regulations or vaguely defined, absurd conspiracies.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 17, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
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And then we have Bud Purdy...barely hear his name in the new.
"By Joan McCarter:
"Being a Westerner and the daughter and granddaughter of cattle ranchers, I think it's about time that the non-crazy Western ranchers get some equal national media time. Because they're not all federal government-hating, "wise use," sagebrush rebelling, gun-toting crazies—even in a state like Idaho. One of Idaho's most influential cattle ranchers, and conservationists is proof of that. His name was Bud Purdy, and in his 96 years, he became sort of a legend in the state. Unfortunately, he passed away this week, but this remembrance from the Idaho Stateman's Rocky Barker tells the story.
Purdy, 96, led the ranching industry into rest and rotation grazing on public lands that both protected the range and improved cattle production.
He duck-hunted and skied with Ernest Hemingway and hosted Jimmy Stewart and Gary Cooper at his Picabo Ranch.
He helped start the Idaho Cattle Association, led the University of Idaho Foundation as president and was chairman of the Idaho Association of Commerce and Industry. In addition to the ranch, he and his late wife Ruth owned the Picabo Store, the Picabo Elevator and Silver Creek Supply, a seed business. […]
Purdy donated a 3,500-acre conservation easement on all of the ranch along Silver Creek in the 1990s to the Nature Conservancy, adjacent to its own Silver Creek Preserve. Purdy didn’t even take the tax break on the easement valued at $7 million. […]
He loved the cattle business, he explained to writer, producer and author Steve Stuebner in an article in 2012 for the Idaho Rangeland Commission (which he co-founded). "Every morning, you get up and do something different," he said. "You turn out on the range and ride a horse every day.
Even now, I go out and make sure the water is OK, check the fences and make sure the gates are closed. "It's just a constant going out there and doing it," Purdy said. "I was never a cowboy, but I've ridden a million miles."
As one of my good friends here in Idaho wrote on Facebook, "He loved his land so much he owned it and when owning it wasn't enough to preserve it for future generations, he figured out a way to do that.
**" Cliven Bundy doesn't represent the West. He doesn't represent cattle ranchers. He represents a minority of right-wing cranks who are good at making a lot of noise through threats of violence. He's also nothing more than a common crook. If you're looking for an emblematic man of the West, it's not Bundy. It's Bud Purdy."
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 17, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 17, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
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Elvis went to ask Nixon what he could do to kick the snot out of the anti-American dirty hippies that were protesting against the war in Viet Nam.
Nixon said thanks but no thank but have a sandwhich.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 17, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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So whose side would John Wayne be on? The obvious answer would the, the good guy's side. Who is the good guy?
"High Noon" was the most un-American thing I have ever seen in my whole life. The last thing in the picture is ol' Coop [Gary Cooper] putting the United States marshal's badge under his foot and stepping on it. I'll never regret having run [screenwriter Carl Foreman] out of this country.
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