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HighDesertDJ
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Feb 22, 2014 - 10:39am PT
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Government can't work in a bipartisan fashion just look at all these bills that I refused to cooperate on.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2014 - 11:37am PT
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Apogee said: "couch, my current policy is an individual plan I started last summer, after being on a group plan prior to that. Those policies were not the same type of policies, though they were both with Anthem/Blue Cross- the earlier one was far better, simply because it was a group plan. The current plan was intended as a gapfiller until the new laws & system came into effect.
Now that the system is largely in place (for whatever that's worth), I've been shopping for a new policy- getting that information from Blue Cross has been a monumentally frustrating time wasting pain in the arse, but using the Covered California resource has been far smoother.
I'm not under any allusion that any of these plans will do exactly what the insurance company says they will do...those slimebags will dodge out of virtually any significant claim I try to make. This is no fault of the ACA...it's entirely reflective of how stoooopid it is to continue to have a profit-driven, capitalist healthcare insurance system."
Thanks for the reply man. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. For large companies that are covering employees. They don't have to do anything different just yet. My little brother runs a large(er) company. I get some of my info from him. What he said couple months back was that the the ACA wouldn't hit them for a year, but the effect is that as his companies health care was better than the act allowed for, that they would (or could if they so chose) be keeping the plan but the employees would be penalized and have to be ponying up a couple hundred bucks each month. If I was listening correctly, and I often don't, they won't see anything different until 2015.
As far as the last part of your statement goes, there is good and bad on the profit driven healthcare front. I can't disagree with the bad, ie, folks getting "negotiated" out of coverage and thus getting screwed when they need it most. However, profit and competition will drive better care. So at least there is apparent competition built into the new system.
Time will tell how this plays out. My state totally boffed the thing. 140,000 people recieved noticed that the insurance they had chosen was going by-by. Then the state didn't get the web site to sign up (until just last week), so they hired 400 people to process paper applications. Which sounds good but the reality was all but a disaster. Our governor was a former ER room doctor, healthcare as it relates to .gov has been his thing.
So I guess we'll all be hanging on for the ride to see where it leads us.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2014 - 11:53am PT
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Couch said So I guess we'll all be hanging on for the ride to see where it leads us.
We don't need to be. Everyone responds better to calm, reasoned and honest engagement. We could have fixed a lot of these problems a long time ago but opponents have put all their energy into making the reform sound apocalyptic and then hoping for (or in some cases helping to ensure) disaster. Legislation is malleable. Implementation is flexible. Every major government law/program has required maintenance. Medicare/medicaid did (and still do). It's entirely reasonable to make proposed changes that make this system work better without gutting the core achievements of expanding coverage to as many Americans as possible.
Dave KOS- Even ironic racism is offensive and does nothing to forward your argument. Please do without it.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
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We don't have to pretend anything. Just stop saying it unless you're talking specifically about the word. It just undermines your point, not strengthens it.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 22, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
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I'm with HDDJ on that one, Kos. I get your point (and wholly support it), but it doesn't need that kind of punctuation.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 22, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
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I honestly doubt it 'permeates' conservative America, but you can damn well bet that those who use it regularly (in a derogatory sense) probably almost universally identify themselves as Republican/Tea Partiers.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 22, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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I don't doubt it
nearly half of (adult) Republicans do not believe Obama was born in the United States
to this day they cannot accept that Hawaii is one of the states
they wake up every morning hating the fact that a white male is not President
every focus is on Obama, the man, the person, the Kenyan, the Muslim
because they lose when they have to defend their own miserable failures
they are only against, but never FOR anything
f*#k em
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 22, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
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Not really, Kos...my family is mostly working-class, a few have higher educations, but most are doing pretty traditional blue collar work of one kind or another. However, we are all native to the southwest- no doubt that the *edited* northeast (and south) have very different cultures.
"for the right, it's all about man with Obama and not about the issues."
Oh-so-true, with utter transparency. From a political standpoint, though, that's all it takes to get the troops lined up in jackbooted formation. Nevermind the reality that it's entirely imaginable to have seen Romney's agenda overlap Obama's by at least 85%.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 22, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
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Obama sold a lie to the American people
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron- It's almost like the concept of tying health care coverage to employment is an insane, inefficient system that hurts workers. Also, if you honestly think that businesses haven't been using political cover to justify business decisions that benefit them but hurt workers for a long time you're crazy.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Those of you who voted for Obama...voted for his policies as well...therefore you bear the responsibility of the disaster of his agenda as much as he does.
Uh, jackwagon? Yer boy Romney instituted THE SAME F*#KING PROGRAM in Mass. And it works. It was a system designed by conservatives to preserve free market insurance (because heaven forbid they forgo their god-given right to skim off the top of health care expenditures while looking for every way possible to deny paying for your legitimate health care needs...because those CEOs third mansions and $20M bonuses is certainly more important than providing the service they charged you for).
Capitalism is great for innovation. So please tell me exactly how any insurance company of the last 50 years has innovated anything? Actuarial type tables are the core of the insurance business. Data crunching, something anyone can do with a simple desktop computer and data. There is no innovation. There is no reason to pay rent-seeking scum for providing nothing but being a parasitic middleman scamming and skimming.
You have no alternatives to offer. No solutions. Just bitch and whine.
I have no interest in even attempting to have dialogue with you
As you write point by point rebuttals that don't even say anything, studiously avoiding any relevant content other than bitching and whining. Pathetic. What a f*#king wanker.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Ron..I hope you find meaningful employment...rj
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Kos...Creepy Flo..? I think it's sexy- naughty when she's hiding in the shadows and trying to seduce the young boys into switching to progressive...
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dirtbag
climber
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Go with the Flo?
Yep, I'd do her.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron insists Just relaying reality situations here. NO MORE full time employment = more on the dole.
Real Economists Who Aren't Struggling Taxidermists seem to think you have no idea what you're talking about: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45010-breakout-AppendixC.pdf
In CBO's judgment, there is no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA.
Also, working 2 20 hour jobs is abstractly the same as working 1 40 hour job meaning that even in your part-time dystopia people will still be working the same number of hours. But arguing the differences is just as silly as saying "NO MORE full time employment," not that that will stop you.
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dirtbag
climber
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But...but...the assistant manager selling shotgun shells at Sportsmans Warehouse says otherwise...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The wife was moaning the other day about new changes about to drive health
care costs ever higher. She wasn't sure whether they were due to Obamacare
or Medicare but that is pretty adademic. One of the horrors of modern health
care is 'coding'. If you don't 'code' properly the guvmint ain't gonna pay ya.
She says there were 19,000 possible code combos but in a few months that is
going up to 48,000, give or take a few thousand. You miss dotting
an 'i' or crossing a 't' and you're working on yer nickle. Why the f*#k
does it matter to the guvmint whether it is a broken tibia or a broken fibula?
It's a phukking broken leg! How hard is that to understand?
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dirtbag
climber
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Good point, he should believe the assistant manager selling shotgun shells at Sportsman's Warehouse.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Why the f*#k
does it matter to the guvmint whether it is a broken tibia or a broken fibula?
It's a phukking broken leg! How hard is that to understand?
because the actual procedure to set the break is different, hence different billing
you know that Reilly, you are a smart guy
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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good morning Ron!
any news about the employment in town?
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