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Jilli
Trad climber
Livermore, California/ Dunedin NZ
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
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I just got the results of the inspection of the glasses found on Friday at the trail head to Inyo Craters. The glasses are store bought "cheaters" and not prescription lenses similar to Matt's prescription. So the glasses appear to be a dead end.
So that's it? Chief says it's a no go and everyone just calls it a dead end? Keep in mind that MLPD is swamped at the moment and not much time to look into this unfortunately. HOW "not similar" are they? Why is it not a possibility that Matt bought "cheaters" like other people have mentioned here...?
Best way to check further? RITE AID. The purchase records for 16th need to be found- i know everyone has already said this over and over again but WHAT is happening with it?? (urgency in my voice is out of desire for Matt to be FOUND dead or alive- not trying to be difficult here) :-/
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Here's a young that teaches math in the 21st century, has an email account, posts on SP periodically and looks for climbing partners through climbing forums and he doesn't own a laptop of any kind? He's taking digital images with that camera of his, What does he do with them?
Regarding the hotmail questions: try answering them incorrectly, but with correct data. E.g., if asked for his fathers middle name, use his first name, or his mothers middle name. If the questions have answers that anyone in his family would know, then he would make sure that he wouldn't forget it. It'll be obvious to you.
Any chance you can get a shot at his school CPU? I'll wager that his hotmail pw is stuffed under user accounts/manage stored passwords.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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Jilli, from what I gather, he didn't need glasses to read, and the found glasses were readers. Someone pls correct me if I'm wrong.
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RM217
climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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@LAhiker...
This is a screenshot from summitpost.org that shows 85 Posts by Matt.
Can't be 100% sure that this is just forum posts, but it appears that way because all posts seem to be individually categorized, such as Climbing Logs, Messages, Reviews, TR's, etc.
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mattyj
Mountain climber
Truckee
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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I don't want to drag the SummitPost issue out, but since there have been multiple posts asking the same question:
* Find any SummitPost post by MattGreene (edit: as shown above). It will list his post count as 85; this is a standard PHPBB3 feature that many forums have.
* The link I supplied earlier is PHPBB3 running a DB query and listing every thread that MattGreene posted to. It will be more reliable / comprehensive than a Google search.
* On SP, the forum is a distinct entity from the rest of the site - in fact, the internal user ID numbers don't even match. So the forum software knows nothing about other SP objects like route pages, trip reports and plans & partners. All of that (except PMs) should show up on MattGreene's user profile page.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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Jilli, I also want Matt to be found, so I think I understand your frustration! While I don't think this should completely close the books on the glasses, I'm coming to think that they are a red herring because:
1. The police department went to the trouble of having the glasses tested by an optician in Bishop, so I trust the verdict on what they are.
2. The verdict is that they're store-bought reading glasses. Matt's friends and close friends say he didn't need or use reading glasses. The person who posted here saying they'd bought "cheaters" was someone who used reading glasses. If someone were to bring forth evidence that Matt did actually use reading glasses, I'd change my mind because of the similar style..
3. Based on their online site, Rite Aid doesn't appear to carry that brand of reading glasses.
4. While it's certainly possible that Matt was at the Inyo Craters for some reason, a variety of people have suggested that based on his personality and patterns when his car was getting fixed in the past, it's likely that he did a big climb.
I also hope the Rite Aid purchases become known soon. Nor am I inclined to dismiss out of hand the intuitions from dreams and psychics. But there are many places near town, for instance, that are near "blue diamond" trails; there are many guardrails, steep slopes, and ravines with water nearby. Maybe a bunch of them could be searched, especially if they fit into larger narratives such as a route Matt might have taken on the way to a big climb.
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Jilli
Trad climber
Livermore, California/ Dunedin NZ
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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Sal, thanks i'll look back a few pages to check it out again (the glasses).
Yep, no computer, that has been confirmed. I'm not surprised- i have a best friend with no computer yet takes a lot of photos- you just take em in an print them. :) Sounds old fashioned but I gather that's how Matt lives his life...
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Jilli
Trad climber
Livermore, California/ Dunedin NZ
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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Matty, good points. You should PM the family with that so it doesn't get lost in here. :)
LAhiker, Thanks for confirming- I was unaware the verdict was that they were reading glasses, so i guess that's that. :-/
"3. Based on their online site, Rite Aid doesn't appear to carry that brand of reading glasses."
I'm going to call the shop and find out. Online site will be nothing like what each branch sells.
"...the intuitions from dreams and psychics. But there are many places near town, for instance, that are near "blue diamond" trails; there are many guardrails, steep slopes, and ravines with water nearby. Maybe a bunch of them could be searched, especially if they fit into larger narratives such as a route Matt might have taken on the way to a big climb."
Very good idea. I hope the family can get back out to ML and search for these places since the info from psychics/family & friends dreams/ intuitions has now been pointing to that theory, which I just can't shake. I am a believer in that stuff to a certain degree. It's pretty insane that they all had similarities in their dreams... including the one who found the glasses (Alex) who is not associated with the family.
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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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Our town has been following all that you have been doing to help find Matt. Your selflessness, bravery and persistence are remarkable. Thank you for your time and efforts!
The teachers had to report to work by August 22nd at the latest. Staff development began on the 19th. The school year began today, without Matt. The staff wore green to send a message of hope and the town's people have lit a candle in their west windows to guide him home.
As for the computer, the teachers have a desk or lap top computer and have their own account through the district. I would think if you went to the authorities they could get a subpoena to release the emails as part of the investigation. I had to do this once with cell phone calls when someone was stalking me. The police get the report, but the victim/family will never see it. Confidentiality...the criminal has more rights than the victim. Fortunately, in my case, they did find and convict the stalker with the records!
For Matt, the police could put the pieces of the puzzle together leading up to his trip. You should be able to do the same with his Hotmail account. The subpoena doesn't take long to process.
I hope this helps. Be safe!
Supermama
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
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I keep going back to the found reading glasses. Too many coincidences to ignore. RiteAid here in San Diego only sells Foster Grants and I couldn't find any that looked exactly like the ones found.
He liked that style of prescription glasses and that look, we know that.
They are kinda unique.
Is it possible that he also had reading glasses the same style or similar to wear over his contacts for his astigmatism so he could see close-up so he wouldn't have to take out his contacts? Is this possible? As was mentioned before? Seems it would be a hassle to have to go back and forth, why not slip on a pair of glasses when needed to solve this?
The found reading glasses are an older style. I can't find them on-line at this time. I'm not sure how old the style is. Maybe someone else can find them, I couldn't.
Make: Personal Optics (Reading Glasses)
Model: 000912 Ferrix Black
Company: Personal Optics
http://higcapital.com/portfolio/company/71
Too many coincidences:
*The fact that they look so similar to his prescription glasses. He likes this look.
*This make and the model is now not easily found.
*The reading glasses are found near where we know he was within a few miles of being, for the purposes of camping, hanging out, climbing, waiting for his car.
*The visions in dreams being the same/similar from different people that he is close to. You can't deny this.
*The reaction that the found eye-glass images first received. People said that's what they saw in their dreams. We all experienced this together on ST.
*Ok, and a psychic whatever.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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UPDATE FROM CRAGMAN/DEAN
"Safely at the car. Will post up before bed. Sore but content"
And that my friends ends my live cragman updates:)
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Aug 26, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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He doesn't need reading glasses, ok?
There were 30 pages missing from his guidebook. Specifically which pages, comprising which routes on which peaks? If we can put this down on a spreadsheet, we can block out the routes that he had done, and yellow out those routes that were either way above his technical ability, and those routes he would be unlikely to attempt solo and unroped. This should leave us with a set of candidates that we can further eliminate due to distance from the trailhead. Basically, the rest are what we can guess are his bucket list. If the guys ave searched some of them, we can discount them too.
Other than looking everywhere, this is the best I can figure for trying to outguess Matt.
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Jilli
Trad climber
Livermore, California/ Dunedin NZ
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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The school year began today, without Matt.
:-(
Supermama, Thanks for your updates from back east, and tips about the email. I too feel the subpoena should not be drastically hard to get considering the dire circumstances, perhaps you can share w/the family your experience personally so it helps the process to kick forward? There could be drastically important clues in his email account(s).
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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Sal said ...
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
He doesn't need reading glasses, ok?
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Thanks for the update Chief!
Klimmer-I don't know. Gut feeling. I would still search the area. Too many strange coincidences from multiple people. How common are those store bought glasses that look nearly exactly like Matt's even if they aren't prescription but only cheap reading glasses or "cheaters"? Really weird.
MG said ...
All the more reason to find out what that purchase at was RiteAid! My wife wears contacts.. and has a bad astigmatism, then uses cheaters with them when she is reading up close.
I think I undertand that problem:
*He has nearsighted vision and astigmatism which means unaided he could see well up to am arms length away.
*So he wears contacts that correct his vision so he can see further away. Contacts are a hassle to take in and out. Big hassle.
*So he has a cheap pair of reading glasses that he can quickly put on over his contacts or while wearing his contacts that look very similar to his prescription glasses, to see up close. Quick and easy. Problem solved. He can leave his contacts in no hassle. Take off the reading glasses and he's ready to go for distance viewing.
Is it possible he did this? Upstream someone said, someone who was directly with him that he had several glasses he would bring and wear. He needed all of them. Is it possible that one of them were cheap reading glasses for the above said scenario?
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RM217
climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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@Klimmer...
First...I want to say thanks for that link you posted (about dreams) a few pages ago. Haven't been able to get back on here till today. I appreciated the link. And I want to clarify something. I will restate I am not a psychic, have never wished to be one, etc. I have, in my life, had some weird dreams that have come to pass. Also want to say...I have never met Matt Greene in my whole life. I don't know Matt's sister, brother-in-law or any of his family or friends. My children attended the school Matt teaches at. And that is the extent of the knowledge I have of Matt and his family. I have a busy, very busy life and while I prayed for Matt and his family each night, I never dreamed that I would have a strange dream...about him. My head usually spins right before bed about all the things I will have to do tomorrow...but, my prayers were heartfelt and maybe that is why I dreamed it. I felt overwhelmed with that dream and it weighed heavy on my shoulders for a couple of weeks. When Matt's sister Tiffany went to a psychic, this is why I felt compelled to PM her and tell her of my dream. That is when I learned her husband also had a similar dream, probably earlier than I had mine. And later that evening, I learned of a former student of Matt's also having a very similar dream, after I had mine. I learned this through my son, who was told about the dream. So, this dream of the blue diamond/crystal (which is what was the common denominator) came from three different people who do not know each other, yet we all learned of the other's dreams. That is strange, and I still don't know what to make of it. All I know is that I held it inside for a while and feared that if it ever came out that he was near something I may have seen in my dream, well, I couldn't live with myself if I never divuldged that information. I don't want to cause a change in search plans. Whatever the blue diamond/crystal is... could be anything. Sometimes snow looks blue, could be a rock, water, something he was wearing, or something as simple as a blue diamond. Or perhaps, just a small clue that will lead to the next clue... I just don't know. But, where it seems to have led is to a pair of glasses that we can pretty much rule out as being Matt's. But the glasses have seem to have led to some National coverage, also. And they may not be his, but, maybe it's just the next clue... a silent voice, a picture of a pair of glasses hanging on a "hiking" sign... Maybe the glasses are just to tell us to "keep looking" and we will "see."
I tried to PM this to you Klimmer...but your PM is disabled. You are very passionate...and supportive and I felt like I needed to tell you these things.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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SalNichols
Matt took out of secor 3rd edition all of chapter 12. I have an action item on our list to go through chapter 11 & 12 to eliminate areas based on:
1. Matts previous climbs in the area (which we have a list of)
2. Ones that are too far
3. Not interesting/ not his style
4. Ones that are too difficult
Based on comments from Matts climbing friends and other information the Ritter/Banner area was targeted hence the current search that just concluded about an hour ago.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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Cragman/Dean & Friend
A note of thanks!!!! Came across this right after last post..........how appropriate!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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RM217,
Thanks for sharing all of that. It's important. Too many coincidences as you have experienced to ignore.
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RM217
climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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@mattj - thanks. Just saw your post with link. Your way of searching SP was so much better...! Guess those last two I found were the most recent after all. (Was hoping...)
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Aug 26, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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Not to alarm the family members etc, but in years past, the body of a murder victim was dug up right across the street from Shady Rest, and going back a little further - another body was found near the present-day library. Personally, I don't buy the foul-play angle in this case, but I was reminded of those (news) stories when I went bouldering on the hill near the library today.
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