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Degaine
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Aug 28, 2012 - 02:18am PT
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First, there will always be deviants and criminals, but that does not mean that one should not have laws. But indeed, there needs to an effort that goes beyond simply banning weapons in order to address the violent crime in the United States. How about universal healthcare? Better schools? The village raising the child so to speak.
Second, this issue is similar to immigration or healthcare: the system is not changing because those who are making a huge amount of money off it don’t want it to change. For immigration, crack down on the employers and you will see much less illegal immigration; in healthcare the pharma companies and the big corporate providers are okay with bilking the American public as long as no one lifts a finger; and with guns, the gun/bullet manufacturers are all too happy to make money off the current system (legal or illegal sales, their bottom lines don’t care), crack down on them and things will change.
Third and lastly, I always find it ironic that those in favor of such repressive legislation as the Patriot Act, or trashing every other portion of the Constitution, evoke the second amendment as if they even care about the Constitution. Why not just be honest with yourselves, you like guns, like the easy access to guns in the US and are hiding behind the second amendment? Jody, et al, you know who you are, since when have you cared about liberty?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 28, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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The Devil's always in the details.
Can we just get some sympathy for the devil here?
I'd say give the discrimination task to the devil's earthly reps, the hell's angels. They could certainly figure it all out and assist in the transportation process.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2012 - 11:31am PT
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Nicely said Degaine.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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How'd that happen? Guns are totally outlawed in DC.
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jstan
climber
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Chaz:
Arlington WA is rather far removed from Arlington VA. Even if the event did happen in Arlington VA, Virginia's gun control laws are not the same as those of the District.
Two possibilities. You just post really sloppily with little or no comprehension. Or you feel there are people out here who believe whatever they hear and you intend to mislead them.
I'll leave it to you. Take your pick.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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The New York Trigger kills again.
"The [immocent] worker, 20 year old Renaldo Cuevas collided with the officer out on the sidewalk, causing the officer’s drawn hand gun to go off, striking him in the left shoulder."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/NY-police-accidentally-shoot-shop-worker-to-death-3847005.php#ixzz25pxY5Nuz
NYPD had Glock make up a special batch of pistols with an insanely heavy trigger pull built in - twelve pounds, or something like that - because that was easier than training for firearm handling basics ( such as "keep your goddamn finger off the trigger until your target is in your sights" ).
This 12# trigger makes the cops think they can walk around with their finger on the trigger. The original, factory trigger is very light, so you learn early on not to even touch it until it's time to shoot.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Sep 10, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
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Are you kidding about the 12# trigger pull Chaz?
That's scary. . .
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perswig
climber
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Sep 10, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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Dale
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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No.....the above is scary!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 10, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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Hey. Those colors don't run!!!!
(they float)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 10, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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So why did the killer pick the Cinemark theater? You might think that it was the one closest to the killer’s apartment. Or, that it was the one with the largest audience.
Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.
Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.
A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.
There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.
So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks.
Concealed carry is much more frequent than many people believe. With over 4 percent of the adult population in Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a couple hundred adults in Cinemark’s movie theater #9 means that there is an extremely high probability that at least one adult would have a permit.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/#ixzz267nNe05E
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
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I wish I was joking, MichaelD.
Google "New York Trigger" to see.
One thing I noticed when I visited NYC last year ( first time there ) was the absolute sloppy appearance of the cops.
Bad posture, out-of-shape, uniform doesn't fit, needs a haircut and a shave, and carrying a Glock! I wish I had snapped a shot of the cop cars parked at the 42nd St police station. They all backed into posts intended to keep cars from driving into their cop shop, and each car had a big dent in the rear bumper matching the post they parked against.
It'd been a long time since I saw a cop, and thought "I can take this guy", but I saw a number of cops in NYC who I thought I'd have no problem either outrunning or flat out beating down. ( not that I would, I'm getting a bit old for that crap )
Here in CA, Iggy Pop nailed it; "The cops are well groomed, with muscled physiques, in Butt Town. Their tan uniforms are tailored and chic, in Butt Town"
Sloppy appearance and sloppy physical conditioning begats sloppy gun handling habbits, hence the 12# trigger. But the law of unintended consequences is strictly enforced.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 10, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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I've seen my share of knar, i'm afraid (make that concerned) about how that fat little kid will turn out.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:00am PT
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My memory is weak here, but wasn't it Bobby Seale who said "no Vietnamese ever called me fat and out of shape , or incidentally a nigger"?
However, the times thay are a changin'
Oakland CHP (first reunion) photo (unretouched)
Any Berkeley grads (John, Ed ...?) take this guy's class?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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OT (saving grace, it addresses obesity) - but does the Second Amendment to the constitution protect one's right to wear an explosive-laden so-called suicide vest (either hidden or ala open carry)?
If not, why? If so, why?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:14am PT
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Yeah Jody, I can hardly force myself to get out of bed and face the world.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 11, 2012 - 12:16am PT
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Say Jody, care to join in for some ribs and gun-toting? Obviously, stage right is an FBI infiltrator, look how fat he is.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Sep 11, 2012 - 02:35am PT
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Still going eh? Fawk.
Are there any of you reading this that are even open to change... capable of altering your opinion one way or another?
More likely... you're all looking for evidence to support your own confirmational bias. Then spewing some regurgitation of it.
In other words... believe whatever supports your own view and to hell with the rest.
Sounds like politics to me...
All B.S.!
I especially like the ones who say things like "you only care about the 2nd" and "my god what a liberal puke you must be".
Seriously?
Then you wonder what's wrong with the system, huh.
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