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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Do you know that your own link says that the pulverized concrete proves that there where explosives planted in the building? Do you agree with that claim?
Raymond,
The link is to raw footage. The CBS videographer makes no claims, he is just filming.
If you want dust from 9-11-2001 well there you go. Ankle deep dust at times.
And yes a great deal of that is concrete. Not all of it but a great deal of it is.
Q: What pulverizes concrete to dust?
A: Explosives. Collapse due to the force of gravity does not convert concrete to dust like what was seen on 9-11-2001. Explosives do this.
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monolith
climber
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Do explosives make sound that can be recorded by the many recording devices there, Klimmer?
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raymond phule
climber
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I believe I have posted 3 days in a row here on supertopo. I mostly do it at night in front of the tv.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Until 2007, the California Penal Code Section 26 stated that "Idiots" were one of six types of people who are not capable of committing crimes.
-- Wikipedia
So there you have it! Neither Bush nor Locker committed the 9-11 crimes!!
Now, if by chance it was 9-11-2008, maybe we'd have a gud winner!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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raymond, I am not asking that you answer my questions. In fact, I'm not asking questions. Instead, I'm saying to read the factual accounts of what was going on and discuss those facts, instead of trying to make up questions about stuff that nobody knows about, nor claims to know anything about.
So, do you want to talk about the stuff that we know to be true, or do you want to continue to throw up straw-men that you then bash down?
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raymond phule
climber
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Raymond,
The link is to raw footage. The CBS videographer makes no claims, he is just filming.
I talked about the pdf you posted yesterday.
Q: What pulverizes concrete to dust?
A: Explosives. Collapse due to the force of gravity does not convert concrete to dust like what was seen on 9-11-2001. Explosives do this
Why is that the case? Can you back up that with science?
What would happened with the concrete if a very high building collapse without the use of explosives?
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raymond phule
climber
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raymond, I am not asking that you answer my questions. In fact, I'm not asking questions. Instead, I'm saying to read the factual accounts of what was going on and discuss those facts, instead of trying to make up questions about stuff that nobody knows about, nor claims to know anything about.
So, do you want to talk about the stuff that we know to be true, or do you want to continue to throw up straw-men that you then bash down?
I want to discuss one of your claims, fact, truth or what you want to call them. The claim about pulverized concrete that the fireman talked about.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Do explosives make sound that can be recorded by the many recording devices there, Klimmer?
monolith
mono, I have recordings of explosions. But why should I post them? I know you will deny that they are sounds of explosions. This is easy to predict.
Now stop asking for stupid things and post up the source for the FBI explosives tests, like you said you would. Or, were you just lying again when you said you'd post them.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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School got cancelled today because of the SoCal black-out.
Too funny. No joke . . .
Someone right now is driving down the blvd. near where I live with a mega-phone saying "9-11 was an inside job."
Truth is bubbling to the consciousness of the American public.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Damn Locker, I thought I sent those to my girlfriend! I must have...
Now wait a minute, don't tell me that you're the "girl" I've been talking to on that 900 number!
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monolith
climber
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K-man, you don't have audio of explosions throwing I-beams hundreds of meters or pulverizing the building to dust.
Those would be way louder and longer than standard demo.
The Naudet brothers were only a few hundred meters away, and their pro sound equipment picked up nothing.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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man rox,
receiving your insults on here is a compliment. i would be worried about myself if you actually agreed with me.
an unemployed a-hole on ST, who was a never was with nothing better to do than to bitch about wolves and californians and conspiracies who (mistakenly) think someone cares....
edit:
Hell, I thought I was completely unknown, and several guys recognised ME from behind my avatar withing hours of my first post. They even remembered my full name and how I spell it...
lol, how could anyone forget???
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Not "web site data" Dingus.
Transcripts from tapes of the firefighters first-hand accounts, received through a Freedom of Information Act request.
Let me ask you, upthread you said "Fooled me once..."
How is that you came to the conclusion you were fooled [by the Truthers]?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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rox,
nobody on here knows who i am. i choose to reamain anonymous as a poster on ST because of whackjobs like you. and crowley. and others.
there are too many whackjobs out there.
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raymond phule
climber
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Once again. That some people hear something that they think is explosions is supposed to prove that the towers where demolished (in a novel way) by explosives but eyewitness reports of a low flying airplane flying against the pentagon do not prove that an airplane flow into pentagon?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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oh now come on dmt?!?!
the truthers would NEVER do that! that would mean that they are doing the same THING that they are accusing the government of doing!
nah, they would never do that....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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"How do you know what you read on the internet is the real transcription???"...
Because many of the transcripts can be verified by accompanying video.
And the video is posted.
Sure, you can fudge all of this, I guess. Fake rubble in the streets, fake fireman's cloths, covered in fake dust. The fake NY streets.
Whatever.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Raymond,
The link is to raw footage. The CBS videographer makes no claims, he is just filming.
"I talked about the pdf you posted yesterday."
Q: What pulverizes concrete to dust?
A: Explosives. Collapse due to the force of gravity does not convert concrete to dust like what was seen on 9-11-2001. Explosives do this
"Why is that the case? Can you back up that with science?
What would happened with the concrete if a very high building collapse without the use of explosives?"
From the 1st page of Eric Lawyer's website . . .
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
“HIGH-ORDER DAMAGE”
NFPA 921
18.3.2 - “High-Order Damage. High-order damage is characterized by shattering of the structure, producing small, pulverized debris. Walls, roofs, and structural members are splintered or shattered, with the building completely demolished. Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet. High-order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.”
We see all signs of “high-order damage” in all three building collapses. There is no arguing this. And, it’s very clearly stated “high-order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.”
Now if we look at NFPA 921 14.3 “Preservation of the Fire Scene and Physical Evidence” we find the following “the cause of a fire or explosion is not known until near the end of the investigation. Therefore, the evidentiary or interpretative value of various pieces of physical evidence observed at the scene may not be known until, at, or near the end of the fire scene examination, or until the end of the complete investigation. As a result, the entire fire scene should be considered physical evidence and should be protected and preserved.”
It doesn’t get much clearer than this. This is Investigation-101! For, all those debunkers and detractors who say “it’s obvious” why the buildings came down, I beg to differ, and so does the NFPA -”the cause of a fire or explosion is not known until near the end of the investigation.” We are professionals, we are not supposed to jump to conclusions, and we are not supposed to let political and public factors determine what we do and don’t investigate. We definitely are not supposed to destroy the very evidence that will provide the answers. And, when every indicator in “the book” is screaming “high-order” explosive damage, we have a history of prior explosives use by terrorists in those exact buildings, we have over 100 first responders reporting hearing “secondary” explosions, the fact that evidence was destroyed and this wasn’t investigated thoroughly is nothing short of criminal! It’s time to get real loud about this. Our Brothers were murdered. My fellow firefighters, we can’t afford to brush this off to politics or ignore this anymore. Stand up with Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, demand answers, and justice.
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“HIGH EXPLOSIVES”
NFPA 921 “18.12.2 High Exlosives…The effects produced by diffuse phase (i.e., fuel-air) explosions and solid explosives are very different. In a diffuse phase explosion (usually deflagration), structural damage will tend to be uniform and omnidirectional, and there will be relatively widespread evidence of burning, scorching, and blistering. In contrast, the rate of combustion of a solid explosive is extremely fast in comparison to the speed of sound. Therefore, pressure does not equalize through the explosion volume and extremely high pressures are generated near the explosion. At the location of the explosion, there should be evidence of crushing, splintering, and shattering effects produced by the higher pressures. Away from the source of the explosion, there is usually very little evidence of intense burning or scorching, except where hot shrapnel or firebrands have landed on combustible materials.”
18.12.2 is very clear. Fuel-air explosions (i.e.- JET FUEL) will be relatively widespread and there will be evidence of burning, scorching, and blistering. If the lobby truly “blew out” from the jet fuel explosion we would see extensive burning, scorching, and blistering. And, think about it, the elevator shafts do not stop in the lobby, they went below the lobby, so why did this apparent “fireball” pick the lobby to exit? Now, carefully look at this video, and you be the judge.
Do you see any signs of burning, scorching, or blistering? On your size-up pay close attention to the plants and the ceiling…do you see ANY soot? is this what you would expect to see after a “jet-fueled fireball” blew out the lobby?
Does this match the damage we would expect to see with solid explosives? (i.e. crushing, splintering, and shattering effects produced by higher pressures).
All the physical evidence form 9-11-2001 at the site of the WTC towers shows the tell-tale signs/physical evidence of High-Order Damage. “high-order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.”
High-Oder Damage = Rapid Rates of Pressure Rise = High Explosives
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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How do you fudge explosions?
Who is claiming US involvement? Not I.
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