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TGT
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So Cal
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:34pm PT
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Bush is a "progressive" big government RINO.
That being said why is every "progressives" post a reference to his failings rather than a celebration of the anointed one's achievements?
Real crickets chirping.
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~nhi708/classify/animalia/uniramia/pterygota/cricket.wav
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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Tell me how you vote, and I'll tell you what you believe
I have no problem defending my vote
That only works for people who can't think for themselves. If I told you who I voted for the last 25 years it would scramble your brain.
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:42pm PT
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So a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for the Republican
Please let me know how you think that will turn out
WWII with Iran, Depression No. 3
serfdom for the rest of us, with no health care or education
worse than China, at least they protect themselves from themself
Ron Paul was the only candidate from either party that would not have invaded Iraq, let alone invade Iran.
You fell for Obama's peacenik routine? I bet you feel pretty duped about us still being in Iraq, Afghanistan, keeping Gitmo open, etc.
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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:45pm PT
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Bush is a "progressive" big government RINO.
It's amusing when you get on your "RINO" trip.
Keep it up: I'm perfectly happy seeing the Republicans as a small-tent party.
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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:47pm PT
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Taking a brief break from CME articles and exams - got to get the required credits in. Here is an interesting question. Suppose Gore was elected. It would be reasonable to say 9/11 happens anyway. SOOOOOO - what do you think might have been different in the ensuing months/years. What alternative strategies would he have pursued or not pursued.
He pursues a war in Afghanistan but not Iraq. He would "get" that energy independence through development of alternative energy sources is key to extricating ourselves from mideast entanglements.
I'd support all of that.
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:47pm PT
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"Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this hearing on the Treasury Department’s views regarding government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). I would also like to thank Secretaries Snow and Martinez for taking time out of their busy schedules to appear before the committee.
I hope this committee spends some time examining the special privileges provided to GSEs by the federal government. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the housing-related GSEs received $13.6 billion worth of indirect federal subsidies in fiscal year 2000 alone. Today, I will introduce the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act, which removes government subsidies from the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac), and the National Home Loan Bank Board.
Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing."
-Ron Paul to the House Financial Services Committee, September 10, 2003
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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:50pm PT
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You fell for Obama's peacenik routine? I bet you feel pretty duped about us still being in Iraq, Afghanistan, keeping Gitmo open, etc.
Huh? Except for Gitmo, he's more or less doing what he said he'd do.
And btw, Paul is a crackpot. I like his views on Iraq and civil liberties, but his domestic polices would be an abomination. For example, he'd like to scrap most environmental laws, e.g., the clean air and clean water acts, with common law nuisance claims--what a sick joke.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:52pm PT
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LEB said
What ever Bush did or did not do - whatever problems he created or did not create - by this time, I should think Obama would have started to turn it around. It is not happening. Everything is getting worse.
God, you're a Liar. I mean, "misinformed".
As has been posted here repeatedly, and backed up with citation after citation, many things have gotten better. As I, myself, cited, the huge job losses that were occuring during the last part of the Bush Adm have been totally reversed, to job addition. The stock market (I think you've heard of that, you preach to people about it) which was in the 7,000's is in the 11,000's. Corporate profits have set all time records in the Obama tenure. "Everything is getting worse" is another republican lie, and you are their mouthpiece.
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:52pm PT
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He pursues a war in Afghanistan but not Iraq.
Not so fast...
under Clinton-Gore we bombed Iraq many times. Remember "Operation Desert Fox"? And this was before 9/11.
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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:55pm PT
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You really want to compare that with what started in Iraq in 2003?
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:59pm PT
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the huge job losses that were occuring during the last part of the Bush Adm have been totally reversed, to job addition.
Are you serious? You guys really have to start doing your homework, not pulling numbers out of your asses.
In 2008-2009 5.1 Million jobs were lost. 1.2 Million were lost since Obama took office. Since 2010 we have not even created enough jobs to keep up with population growth, let alone cut into the 5.1 Million lost. Unemployment has dipped from 10% to 9%, but this is ONLY because so many people have left the workforce. The percentage of workers in the population is at an ALL TIME LOW right now.
The stock market (I think you've heard of that, you preach to people about it) which was in the 7,000's is in the 11,000's
Again, this is nothing to be proud of. Remember, Real estate went up 200% under Bush. This all due to printed money and low interest rates, and as you will soon see, can come crashing down much faster than it went up.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:05pm PT
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LEB:Again, we pay for results. The reason he can't overcome the opposition is because he continues to wage class warfare as his main modus operandi. He can't let go of his Chicago job and step into his new position as President of ALL the people. He does not know any other strategy and he certainly does not know how to bring diverse groups of people together. He does not build consensus.
The LIAR thinks no one was watching when the President had the opposition into the White House, over and over, negotiating on the debt ceiling. Offering all manner of compromise. In fact, the biggest issue was the backlash he was dealing with in his own party, but he soldiered on.
The nationed watched. The Republicans had ZERO interest in negotiating in good faith. When the President offered to move their direction, they pulled the rug out from under him. They never, NEVER gave way ONE PERCENT.
We all saw it.
Liar.
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
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You really want to compare that with what started in Iraq in 2003?
Depends. Are you really the girl in the picture?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:11pm PT
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the huge job losses that were occuring during the last part of the Bush Adm have been totally reversed, to job addition.
Are you serious? You guys really have to start doing your homework, not pulling numbers out of your asses.
In 2008-2009 5.1 Million jobs were lost. 1.2 Million were lost since Obama took office. Since 2010 we have not even created enough jobs to keep up with population growth, let alone cut into the 5.1 Million lost. Unemployment has dipped from 10% to 9%, but this is ONLY because so many people have left the workforce. The percentage of workers in the population is at an ALL TIME LOW right now.
Yes, Lois.
As the UNDISPUTED NUMBERS POSTED BEFORE SHOWED, the trend reversed.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:14pm PT
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What is the likelihood that Gore would have gotten information re WMD in Iraq - all partisanship issues aside. What do you think. What do you think would have gone down on that count.
Nearly zero because he wouldn't have been looking for a reason to go into Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Plus, our own weapons inspectors said they didn't have WMD.
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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:20pm PT
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Nearly zero because he wouldn't have been looking for a reason to go into Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Plus, our own weapons inspectors said they didn't have WMD.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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Barry's doin a great job!
So's Jerry!
Highest unemployment rates August 2011
El Centro, Calif. 32.4
Yuma, Ariz. 29.4
Merced, Calif. 17.5
Yuba City, Calif. 17.0
Stockton, Calif. 16.1
Modesto, Calif. 16.0
Fresno, Calif. 15.8
Visalia-Porterville, Calif. 15.7
Hanford-Corcoran, Calif. 15.3
Palm Coast, Fla. 14.9
Then there are those places that are following the Canadian example and drilling their way out of the recession.
Lowest unemployment rates August 2011
Bismarck, N.D. 3.0
Lincoln, Neb. 3.6
Fargo, N.D. 3.9
Portsmouth, N.H. 4.4
Rapid City, S.D. 4.5
Sioux Falls, S.D. 4.5
Omaha-Council Bluffs, Neb. 4.6
Burlington, Vt. 4.6
Midland, Texas 4.8
Houma-Bayou Cane-Thibodaux, La. 4.9
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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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Do we absolutely know that for sure. We are trying to be non-partisan here. Let's stick with what we absolutely know.
Yes, we know for sure.
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
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As the UNDISPUTED NUMBERS POSTED BEFORE SHOWED, the trend reversed.
Last month we created zero jobs. Zero is not a positive number.
Contrary to what the media tells you, there has been no economic recovery. In the last 2 quarters GDP has grown by about $300 Billion, giving us about 1.5% real growth. BUT WE PRINTED $600 BILLION.
If you lost your job and started living off credit card checks, would you count them as INCOME???
And even that is nowhere near high enough to produce net jobs. We need to grow at least 3% to produce enough jobs to keep up with population growth.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 28, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
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If he's so intelligent,
Why is he such a complete failure?
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