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John M
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:02am PT
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Thanks Crimp.. surveys are an area that I know little about. So this is interesting. And yes.. it helps.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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You're welcome John M. I LOVE survey methodology research. It is yet another reason I am so fascinating at cocktail parties. :) Ha!
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John M
climber
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:07am PT
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LOL.. totally laughing out loud.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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Crimp, I hear a lot of anecdotal stuff, filtered through the HIPAA lens, and it never ceases to
amaze that so many don't want the police involved and don't understand that that isn't an
option once you present. I've also heard some scary stories about the 16* year old's boyfriend
standing there covered in gang tatoos glaring away.
*or 15, or 14...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:33am PT
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Research shows that reporting to the police is poor when it comes to this sort of violence. Research also shows that it differs based on victim characteristics (and other characteristics like victim/offender relationship). No doubt about that at all.
The CJ system has improved greatly in its handling of RSA, but it's still really really terrible. RSA is the only violence that the victim is heavily scrutinized and their truthfulness is questioned. You don't see that with robbery, or burglary or motor vehicle theft (are you sure you didn't want to share your money and credit cards with that young man sir? Have you had anything to drink sir? If you didn't want to get robbed why are you wearing a nice suit sir?) edit: Not to single out the CJ system - they represent society at large.
RSA has no higher false reporting rates than other types of crime, yet some frequently represent it differently. (Don't confuse unfounding with false reporting - they are very different but often presented as the same). Prosecuting these cases is really difficult (for those very few that make it to trial). As prosecutors say "you must first acquit the victim before you can convict the offender." That's sad isn't it?
Frankly, I often wonder why anyone would report it to the police or do anything that would lead to police involvement. I wouldn't. It is a pretty sad state of affairs still.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 24, 2014 - 11:11am PT
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Thanks for the link, Crimpie. Believe it or not, I really do like reading about survey methodology, particularly the statistical methods used for estimation, because they have relevance to econometrics.
In particular, I often deal with multiple regressions and standard error analysis, using non-experimental data. Most often I use the results of those regressions to estimate parameters of models of uncertain form.
Your study, in particular, struck me as one involving a lot of the same issues I face in microeconomic analysis. For example, one's educational attainment affects one's income, marital status, and numerous other variables, including, for my professional purposes, demand for certain products and services. But each of those explanatory variables also affect each other. Simple, single-stage, least squares regression yields incorrect coefficients and, more importantly, standard errors, for the coefficients. To make matters worse, the effect of the error in computing the standard errors always makes the calculated standard errors less than the true standard error of the model or study.
Freakonomics gives a glimpse of the sorts of crossovers between sociological and economic issues. Your study gives me inspiration for looking at some of these issues from an economic perspective.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 24, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Why hasn't the topic of rape been addressed directly here in an ST thread in the past? (Or did I miss it?)
ST OT threads seem to go everywhere...and there are plenty of ST regulars who are women, or men with wives, daughters & sisters who have this threat present in their lives (or worse)....
It's surprises me that it hasn't received it's own spotlight here at ST. Not to suggest that this thread become the place to do that....better that it serve as a place to acknowledge CG's great work. Still, it's a very worthwhile subject appropriately broach.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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So, I've just re-read the piece, and I'm wondering, why haven't I been published here? I mean, I look at Callie's sentences... every one of them has a verb, they're not overly-reliant on past participles, good use of pronouns and conjunctives...nice, but nothing special. I do that. So, I'm really happy for you and all, but, frankly, I'm beginning to wonder about all of those rejections I've gotten from the NYT. Maybe they don't like guys with last names that are British prime ministers or something.
But seriously, let's have a Happy Hour in honor of Callie. I propose Saturday, January 3rd at Old Chicago in Superior 6:30 (the usual). If Callie can't make that, please suggest another time.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 24, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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I LOVE survey methodology research
You are a sick woman!
Which we already knew since you are a climber!! (:
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 24, 2014 - 11:57am PT
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Why hasn't the topic of rape been addressed directly here in an ST thread in the past? (Or did I miss it?)
Yes you missed it.
"How my hairdresser raped my hair and turned it into a Billy Idol masterpiece" ......
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 24, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
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The one risk factor that remains consistent whether women are advantaged or disadvantaged is age, and women ages 16 to 20 are sexually victimized at the highest rates.
you said 6 out of a thousand are "raped", another words said NO to sex. i wonder how many in that age group are saying Yes? Obviously at that age the sexual hormones are hitting the body like a tidelwave! And by coincidence these kids are leaving the stability and loving companionship of their families home to living in a dorm with complete strangers. i also wonder how many "rapes" occurred by people the victim never met? i'd guess the majority of victims knew the SOB's.
The Atheist voice in America today has swayed the social opinion to condone unwed casual sex. It's certainly common place in music, tv, and internet. Sex on the first date might mean love. But if it doesn't happen by the second or third date it prolly wasnt meant to be.
This age group also has the highest rate of abortions. i'd like to see the stats of who voted for this legalization. don't be surprised if the highest percentage came from men in this age group.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 24, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
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Your wish is my command Eeeyonkee!
Boulder area Happy Hour on Jan 3rd thread is not up!
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
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Um..., is not up? What are you saying exactly (my default is - we're on!)?
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pc
climber
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Dec 24, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
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Okay Blueblockr, As an atheist I do condone casual consensual sex between nonwed adults. What does your statement have to do with the topic of this thread? My non scientific impression is that religious repression is much more of a culprit in violent sex situations.
pc
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 24, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
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DOH! Now, not not.
It's up NOW. :) Funny typo. :)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:48pm PT
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I think it is important when we talk about a well-supported article, that we should post good information, and preferably support factual assertions with citations to those facts:
This age group also has the highest rate of abortions. i'd like to see the stats of who voted for this legalization. don't be surprised if the highest percentage came from men in this age group.
This is factually not true. 58% of US abortions occur in women in their 20's.
https://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/abortion-US/statsandfacts.html
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 26, 2014 - 10:54am PT
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I've been thinking about the issue over the holiday.
One can snipe about research methodology, and for researchers it is the constant game, in the march to perfect methodology.
But there are two issues involved with that.
Turning something very human into something statistical, which makes something horrific into something that can be discussed by sensitive people.
By doing that, it can make the horrific act something that is no longer meaningful, but just a number. And it's easy to forget that what is being discussed are real humans.
The first is a real societal service, and thanks Callie for contributing to that!
The second needs to be guarded against. It is so easy to dehumanize what is going on.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 26, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
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The first is a real societal service, and thanks Callie for contributing to that!
Hear Hear! i too give Thanks to Crimpergirl for the respectability of the article which the New York Times copied.
in my rush, the article seemed like just a sliver out of the whole pie? Instantly i wanted to know a path to a better place. For that,("you can't know where your going, if you don't know where you been." jumped into my head) so i started questioning what got us to the problem. The problem here being 16-20 yro girls are most cepteble to having sex forced upon.
i wonder how our stats measure up with the other countries of the world?
Questioning whether its societal or evolutionary?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 26, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
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There are a lot of ways to say no, or to indicate NO or to be too afraid to say no. or to be incapacitated.
Sex is perhaps the most powerful of human motivations. males the most powerful of sexes. A terrible crime that something so wonderful is perverted to something deeply harmful. A harm that transmits through generations
To be noble is to stand up for those who have less ability to do so.
Salute to Callie
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