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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 25, 2013 - 07:50am PT
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you old farts still going at it? jesus christ!
THE CHIEF, did ya miss meeee?? :)))))
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 25, 2013 - 08:04am PT
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Splater,Great post sir.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:19am PT
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Okay Ed, you have us lined up against the wall, names read off-what do you think this is a firing squad. One little paper does not a discredited science make.
Can anyone post a link to the full paper?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:41am PT
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Read it and everything I could find last night Wilbeer. Doesn't tell us diddly about the range or method of sampling. I'd like to see a listing of the datings on all samples and how they determined these excavated samples had not seen the light of day for 44,000 years. Now let's talk about you and your ideas of what this future utopia you imagine is going to look like. Give us a quick synopsis of 2040, assuming we are in an age of carbon free energy and the society has been fundamentally reconfigured.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:48am PT
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The moss was within 1 meter of the ice, Sumner. The ice is receding at 2 to 3 meters a year.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:49am PT
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^^^^^^
you LIE !!!
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:53am PT
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Relax, Norton.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:55am PT
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Let's see the paper and supporting data, not press releases or interviews, before we throw around accusations of lying Norton.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:16am PT
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Dang, Anderson, Pay attention. It's well known that global temps during the Holocene have been cooling for thousands of years.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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Arctic ice had in increase of 60% Wilbeeer.
60% of what, Macky? Temperature, mass, CO2, duck poop?
If it's just surface area recovered from the dismal low point just measured, a 60% recovery doesn't sound very good.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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They?
Yes Anderson. All predictions are run through the same committee before being released.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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I'd like to see a listing of the datings on all samples and how they determined these excavated samples had not seen the light of day for 44,000 years.
Rick, if you actually saw this data, would you rethink your stance?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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monolith, allow me to fix your graph.
not sure why you insist on using anything greater than n=2.
after all all those extra data points do is tell the real story and we can't have that MSU to fit what you believe
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:46am PT
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ante up your criteria, rick! it's actually what scientists do, and whatever the answer, it's what we go with...
That's a tough pill for this clown car to swallow
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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About The Chief. I mean, this guy has to be the biggest troll since the infamous Juan De Fuca, whose baits were historic. Let me explain... I understand deniers who parrot the spew they hear on selected media outlets. Heck, that's all they know, and they believe they're right because they hear it from the only people they can trust. But with The Chief, here's a guy who has debated with high-leveled scientists on the subject, and they've proven him wrong at every intersection. He's tried every angle, spending years locked in a saber match, and he continually looses every battle. Now, he's show that he cannot understand the most basic graph, completely lost on the concept of averages. I mean, who can possibly be this dense? My conclusion is that he must be a paid troll; not working for the Navy this time, but instead some right-wing whacko think-tank group intent on spreading misinformation. I know it sounds like looney conspiracy stuff, but I honestly can't come up with another solution that makes any sense. I don't know, perhaps if I were as naive as Forrest Gump, I'd be pretty pissed off too.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 25, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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It's like watching a clown car.
Chuff is driving.
Rong is in the back trying to pass out beers and drinking whiskey - completely clueless as to where they are headed.
Sketch is next to Rong telling jokes.
Rick is in the passenger seat with the map giving directions.
Every once and a while they pick up a hitch hiker who sits bitch.
Problem is Chuff took too many of rongs beers and is hammered, Sketch is telling bad jokes and nobody is listening and Rick is holding the map upside down. Instead of driving away from the cliff they are headed towards it.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 25, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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Rong again, Rong. I've served more cooked fish than raw fish.
Pay attention.
ah.... why bother?
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