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sempervirens

climber
Mar 1, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
In this debate Werner continually calls his opponents brain washed. If that were true, then brain washing (how ever you might define it) is possible, right? If so, then religious zealots could brain wash people into believing the doctrine, right? The zealots then can command the brain washed to murder and rape according to the religious doctrine. Would that be "cause"?
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 1, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 1, 2018 - 08:29pm PT
just came across this, looking at something quite different than the topic of this thread, from Feynman Lectures in Physics, Vol II, Ch 41:

"There are those who are going to be disappointed when no life is found on other planets. Not I—I want to be reminded and delighted and surprised once again, through interplanetary exploration, with the infinite variety and novelty of phenomena that can be generated from such simple principles. The test of science is its ability to predict. Had you never visited the earth, could you predict the thunderstorms, the volcanos, the ocean waves, the auroras, and the colorful sunset? A salutary lesson it will be when we learn of all that goes on on each of those dead planets—those eight or ten balls, each agglomerated from the same dust cloud and each obeying exactly the same laws of physics.

The next great era of awakening of human intellect may well produce a method of understanding the qualitative content of equations. Today we cannot. Today we cannot see that the water flow equations contain such things as the barber pole structure of turbulence that one sees between rotating cylinders. Today we cannot see whether Schrödinger’s equation contains frogs, musical composers, or morality—or whether it does not. We cannot say whether something beyond it like God is needed, or not. And so we can all hold strong opinions either way."
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 1, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
Exercise, mitochondrial adaptation, neuroplasticity, and anxio-depresive behavior

The present study was aimed at analyzing the effects of physical exercise on mitochondrial physiology, anxio-depressive-like behaviors and neuroplasticity in mice. Adult C57BL/6J male mice were isolated in home cages equipped or not with free-running wheels. After 6weeks of exercise, mice were tested in various behavioral paradigms to evaluate anxiety- and depressive-like behaviors. The hippocampi were dissected for neurochemical assays, including mitochondrial activity, monoamines content and the expression of genes involved in energy metabolism and brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) regulation. Exercise decreased anxiety-like behaviors in the open field and elevated plus maze, and exerted antidepressant-like effects in the tail suspension test. Exercise stimulated brain mitochondrial activity and increased resistance against rotenone, an inhibitor of complex I activity. Furthermore, mRNA expression of Bdnf, Gdnf, Tfam (mitochondrial transcription factor A), and Ndufa6 (mitochondrial I subunit) genes, as well as the phosphorylation of cAMP response element-binding protein were increased after exercise. In summary, exercise appears to engage mitochondrial pathways and to potentiate neuroplasticity and might be associated to mood improvement.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25655639

You guys need to get out more...

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 2, 2018 - 08:05am PT
...and each obeying exactly the same laws of physics.

The next great era of awakening of human intellect may well produce...

We're so at odds, seemingly all the time, and yet we're both fans of Feynman. The world is full of surprises.


Thunderstorms? How about the much rarer tornado?! :)
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 2, 2018 - 08:07am PT
I'm not a fan, I'm a student.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 2, 2018 - 08:09am PT
Okay, Ed.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 2, 2018 - 09:57am PT
“Everything’s Amazing and Nobody’s Happy”
Louis C.K.

When I read things like, “The foundations of capitalism are shattering,” I’m like, maybe we need some time where we’re walking around with a donkey with pots clanging on the sides. . . . ’Cause now we live in an amazing world, and it’s wasted on the crappiest generation of spoiled idiots. . . . Flying is the worst one, because people come back from flights, and they tell you their story. . . . They’re like, “It was the worst day of my life. . . . We get on the plane and they made us sit there on the runway for forty minutes.” . . . Oh really, then what happened next? Did you fly through the air, incredibly, like a bird? Did you soar into the clouds, impossibly? Did you partake in the miracle of human flight, and then land softly on giant tires that you couldn’t even conceive how they f*#kin’ put air in them? . . . You’re sitting in a chair in the sky. You’re like a Greek myth right now! . . . People say there’s delays? . . . Air travel’s too slow? New York to California in five hours. That used to take thirty years! And a bunch of you would die on the way there, and you’d get shot in the neck with an arrow, and the other passengers would just bury you and put a stick there with your hat on it and keep walking. . . . The Wright Brothers would kick us all in the [crotch] if they knew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LaT5Iiwo4

Source: Enlightenment Now, by Steven Pinker: "Happiness"

...

George Monbiot,

Is neoliberalism creating loneliness? Is this what's wrenching society apart?


It's time to ask where we are heading and why.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/12/neoliberalism-creating-loneliness-wrenching-society-apart

"Mass mental illness. Solution? None. Just form the best type of extended community both within and outside of family, be engaged and generous with your community, hope for the best."
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 2, 2018 - 01:15pm PT
Feynman: "The next great era of awakening of human intellect may well produce a method of understanding the qualitative content of equations. Today we cannot. Today we cannot see that the water flow equations contain such things as the barber pole structure of turbulence that one sees between rotating cylinders"




An infinite composition of linear fractional transformation forms in the complex plane. A very small step via (weak) emergence in this direction. This kind of "art" provides one minor aspect of assessing the qualitative content of mathematical processes.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 2, 2018 - 02:56pm PT

Big Bang: Implosion & Explosion
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00751239
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 2, 2018 - 03:00pm PT
LOL!
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 2, 2018 - 08:19pm PT

Does Prayer Increase Forgiveness?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/43348190_Motivating_Change_in_Relationships_Can_Prayer_Increase_Forgiveness
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 3, 2018 - 07:32am PT
Roy Moore is struggling to make ends meet and is seeking public support...


In case you don't remember who Roy Moore is...

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 3, 2018 - 08:06pm PT
Word of the Day
Smug. having or showing an excessive pride in oneself or one's achievements.
synonyms: self-satisfied, self-congratulatory, complacent, superior, pleased with oneself, conceited
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 3, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
When Stars Were Born: Earliest Starlight’s Effects Are Detected

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/science/stars-dark-energy.html

The Immediate and Delayed Cardiovascular Benefits of Forgiving
https://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Abstract/2012/09000/The_Immediate_and_Delayed_Cardiovascular_Benefits.12.aspx
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Mar 4, 2018 - 04:34pm PT
Fun article. Thanks, Locker.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 5, 2018 - 01:20pm PT
Too bad Walt Whitman can't sound like an instruction manual.

heh,heh.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 5, 2018 - 08:42pm PT
One wonders who the Astronomer was.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 5, 2018 - 10:32pm PT
The Cumming's poem gives me a queasy feeling.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 6, 2018 - 11:07am PT
One wonders who the Astronomer was.


I have no evidence but it could have been Richard Carrington

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

It's good that Whitman appears to have been bored by the astronomer's facts and figures, otherwise it would have been unforgettably chilling for the poet-- far from boring.

https://www.solarstorms.org/SCarrington.html


A possible Carrington event happening today might be catastrophic.
A good reason to get an electrical generator and store it in a Farraday cage.

At any rate, it is hard for me to see Walt awkwardly working the term " coronal mass ejection" into one of his poems.







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