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guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Dec 30, 2015 - 11:13am PT
John.... well said.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 11:34am PT
Even the content of the Opinion section is largely unchanged. I wasn't kidding when I described it as "moderately centrist," compared to how I would have described it in 1973, namely "way to the right." Sad to say, that isn't because it moderated its editorial policy, but because the Republican Party's self-styled conservatives are so far out there.

Not hard to agree there.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
Obama continued to ignore those who commit acts of terror today when the US military reportedly killed one of the ISIL leaders responsible for the attacks in Paris.

At least one militant linked to last month’s Paris terror attacks was among 10 Islamic State leaders killed in recent air strikes, the U.S. military said Tuesday.

U.S. Colonel Steve Warren, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition, said Charaffe al Mouadan was killed Dec. 24, and that he had a “direct link” to Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the ringleader of the Nov. 13 attacks that killed 130 people in Paris.

“Al Mouadan was actively planning additional attacks against the West,” Warren said in a video briefing from Baghdad.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2016 - 06:55am PT
It's January. SH#T IS REAL

Iowa Caucus: 29 days
New Hampshire Primary: 37 days

The NYT thinks we can expect candidates to start burning through their war chests, mostly on negative ads. Jeb Bush, it should be noted, still has tens of millions of dollars in SuperPac money and nothing to lose.

Mark Schmitt thinks Trump is a sign of the changes to our politics, not the change itself.

President Obama will hold a town hall hosted by Anderson Cooper on Thursday (January 7) on gun control. Presumably he will be making the public case for his executive action on gun regulation. The legal tests of this move have complicated repercussions.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 05:50am PT
The superintendent of one of the worst school districts in Missouri achieved 25 point increases in testing, 92% graduation rate and 100% college/employment placement rate after implementing "whole child" plan that attends to children's needs. They have a food pantry set up to feed hungry kids, they have a pediatrician who comes to the school because the nearest doctor is a significant distance away and they offer mental health counseling, case management and wellness education thanks to an in-house clinic opened in partnership with a university. She also has laundry facilities at the school that are free to use in exchange for 1 hour of volunteer work. PTA meeting attendance earns you free groceries.

Her newest project is the "Hope House" which is an abandoned school that was sitting empty. She turned it into a foster home that houses 8 kids and their foster parent.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 5, 2016 - 06:37am PT
Apparently, it does take a village.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 5, 2016 - 08:18am PT
HDDJ
That's a great story about the Missouri school district, TFPU.

To me it shows how a community can come together locally and lift itself up.
Not sure where all the funding came from, but some came from the town and local business's.
The participation of the parents would be the biggest part of most education solutions.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 08:27am PT
What people always forget is that, as my father likes to say, "you never don't pay." People are happy to pay for police in schools but a lot of the kids that act out in a manner requiring police are doing so because basic needs are not being met. It's hard to do homework if you're hungry. It's hard for a parent to care about the kid's schoolwork if they can't put food on the table. If your kid needs to go to the doctor but you don't have a car or can't get time off work without losing your job (or losing pay) then the rest of life doesn't go well either.
Norton

Social climber
Jan 5, 2016 - 08:39am PT

HighDesertDJ,

Thank you for starting this new comprehensive political thread.

Which is markedly different, much better, than all the previous ones.

This thread has a much different tone, of civility, of non contentiousness, of respect.

And it is because of you personally, the example you set reflecting the above.

Thank you
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 08:45am PT
Thanks, Norton. That was a very kind and generous thing to say.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 5, 2016 - 08:58am PT
^^^True.

But republicans still suck donkey schlongs.

;-)
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 5, 2016 - 09:18am PT
HDDJ
An aside on the homeless issue:
Several years ago my ex-wife was very involved with fundraising for homeless kids in San Diego.
I would go to events with her and meet some really neat people.
The kid's homeless shelter often would see a revolving door of the same kids coming, leaving for several days, then returning.
After several years of this we started to wonder if the facilities for food, beds, shelter, etc. didn't just enable many of these kids to re-charge themselves, then head back out to the excitement of street life without adult authority.

One day we were waiting in line to give a fundraising pitch and the folks ahead of us were a group of paraplegics whose physical therapy health care had run it's course. They had cobbled together a facility, surplus equipment and volunteer physical therapists, etc.
I listened to their pitch and noted that helping people is much easier when they want to help themselves.
Not saying the homeless stuff is not worthwhile, just observing the old adage of leading a horse to water.


Sounds like the folks in Missouri didn't want to just be shown (pun intended), they wanted to help lift themselves.

I also second what Norton said. (Can't believe I actually agreed with him...:-)


EDIT:
Dirtbag...your sounding like Trump with the schlong talk...;-)
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 09:42am PT
Larry posted
The kid's homeless shelter often would see a revolving door of the same kids coming, leaving for several days, then returning.
After several years of this we started to wonder if the facilities for food, beds, shelter, etc. didn't just enable many of these kids to re-charge themselves, then head back out to the excitement of street life without adult authority.

One day we were waiting in line to give a fundraising pitch and the folks ahead of us were a group of paraplegics whose physical therapy health care had run it's course. They had cobbled together a facility, surplus equipment and volunteer physical therapists, etc.
I listened to their pitch and noted that helping people is much easier when they want to help themselves.
Not saying the homeless stuff is not worthwhile, just observing the old adage of leading a horse to water.

You can lead a horse to water but it won't help if he's not thirsty. Or addicted to heroin. We like to blame people for their situations but fail to realize that people are not capable of having the same perspective that we might have or that our perspective might be wrong. There are piles of books about how aid to Africa has been poorly spent and the gobs of well intentioned volunteers building projects of little value to the people who they are designed to help. Kids who wind up on the street without an adult are generally going to have a long history of stress and challenge that will have shaped their worldview and decision making very differently than someone with a stable home. There are studies that showing even being situationally poor makes people worse at problem solving and math. My point is, the school system in that article was successful because started meeting their students where their problems were and then looked for the problem behind that problem and started working on that.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 5, 2016 - 09:53am PT
As someone with almost three decades of teaching experience, and the father (and father-in-law) of high school math teachers, I loved your post about the Missouri school district, HDDJ. We tend to overlook a fact my own experience always reinforces -- the most important determinant of success in school is what the student does away from school. Unfortunately, the larger the school district, the more difficult to put together a good "whole child" program.

Still, I think the experience of that district shows where government can help (i.e. providing necessary support for student) vs. where it helps less (e.g. imposing rigid standards, curricula and "best practices.")

I like what your father says about everyone paying. It's really a corolary of Friedman's Reiteration (viz. "Ain't no free lunch.")

John
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jan 5, 2016 - 09:57am PT
"You can lead a horse to water but it won't help if he's not thirsty. Or addicted to heroin. We like to blame people for their situations but fail to realize that people are not capable of having the same perspective that we might have or that our perspective might be wrong. There are piles of books about how aid to Africa has been poorly spent and the gobs of well intentioned volunteers building projects of little value to the people who they are designed to help."

This could apply equally well on the religious vs nonreligious threads. If there's no interest to modernize, it won't happen.

"Kids who wind up on the street without an adult are generally going to have a long history of stress and challenge that will have shaped their worldview and decision making very differently than someone with a stable home. There are studies that showing even being situationally poor makes people worse at problem solving and math."

Note the first principles here could apply equally well to poor cultures trying to make a livelihood out in the desert (or trying to keep up to the West). It ain't going to happen. Particularly as the oil dries up.

And when it's gone? there are going to be even more young restless males... measured in the tens of millions.

We're not ready.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 10:06am PT
John posted
Still, I think the experience of that district shows where government can help (i.e. providing necessary support for student) vs. where it helps less (e.g. imposing rigid standards, curricula and "best practices.")


I largely agree. It's tragic that so many have sought to stigmatize the kind of assistance that can help the most. When NCLB passed, many of the people who supported it were the same people demonizing welfare recipients. You can't expect someone to be held to more rigid standards and also have less support.


HFCS posted
Note the first principles here could apply equally well to poor cultures trying to make a livelihood out in the desert (or trying to keep up to the West). It ain't going to happen. Particularly as the oil dries up.

And when it's gone? there are going to be even more young restless males... measured in the tens of millions.

We're not ready.

I think we could say we are already experiencing that now. The RNC is very much becoming the party of the disaffected white voter. I think after this election it will either break apart or shift dramatically.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 5, 2016 - 10:57am PT
The RNC is very much becoming the party of the disaffected white voter.

One irony of the high Trump polling numbers remains one of the biggest components of his base of support -- disaffected white Democrats. If he gets the nomination, I think your observation would be well on its way to fulfillment, but I need to make a clarification. The RNC (i.e. the Republican National Committee) is so afraid of Trump becoming the nominee of the Republican Party precisely because the RNC, unlike the Trump supporters, is a much broader-based, centrist group. The self-styled guardians of conservatism spend at least as much vitriol on the RNC as they do on Democrats. How else could someone like Jeb Bush be considered a RINO?

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 11:13am PT
John posted
One irony of the high Trump polling numbers remains one of the biggest components of his base of support -- disaffected white Democrats.


You only told half the truth there. They are disaffected, southern, white Democrats who self-identify as Republicans. Think Kim Davis.


John posted
The self-styled guardians of conservatism spend at least as much vitriol on the RNC as they do on Democrats. How else could someone like Jeb Bush be considered a RINO?

Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Jeb seems like a smart, thoughtful guy but he makes Dubya look like a softie when it comes to ideology. I thought for sure Jeb would wind up in Romney's position in this race and, contrary to most, I still think he has a chance to bounce back in this next month. Even then, New Hampshire is so close between so many of the candidates that it may not really decide anything other than who is out of cash. If Bush can ride his money train until a few other guys drop out and the more centrist (*cough*) voters can rally around him he might had a real go. A few screw ups from Rubio wouldn't hurt.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 5, 2016 - 11:29am PT
Mr. Trump’s best state is West Virginia, followed by New York. Eight of Mr. Trump’s 10 best congressional districts are in New York, including several on Long Island.

Southerners, indeed.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2016 - 11:33am PT
Ed: Those are mostly Republicans. The southerners we were talking about were the Democrats.
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