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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Power was down in SoCal last night as I'm sure you all have heard.
The OCT Believers/Truth Debunkers can't get out from under all the overwhelming weight of evidence that the US gov's OCT as documented by the 9-11 (Ommission) Commission Report is invalidated and is a complete white-wash designed and written to support the OCT completely and to find no one at fault, they just made mistakes. Ooooopppppssssiiiiieeeee. US gov version of "MyBad!!??" So OCT Believers just continue ad hominem attacks and constant distraction. They have nothing but ridicule. Sorry that doesn't pass in intellectual debate. You have nothing. The OCT is absolutely riddled with massive holes. It does not stand up considering all the evidence and you know it. So all you can do is attempt to poke fun, ridicule, change topic, and distract. That is all you have. You have nothing.
Sorry, but all of that doo-doo you constantly hurl is like water off a ducks back. It doesn't stick.
What we know:
* "Spies Knew" and had very specific for-knowledge of the 9-11 targets. The WH was warned literally nearly 70 times or so.
* Many US government agencies practiced a 9-11 like scenario using aircraft including The Pentagon.
* Condi Rice, "We never imagined they would use aircraft like missiles, blah-blah-blah . . ." That is 100% USDA Bull dung.
* NORAD stood down on 9-11-2001 and they were told to stand down.
* Regulations had been changed to take shoot-down orders out of the chain of command and authority of NORAD and into the hands of the White House just months before 9-11-2001.
* Within just a few days of 9-11-2001 the US gov had the OCT fully figured out with passports found of some of the Saudi Arabia Islamic hijackers from the crashed jets. Wow, very little aircraft remains, jets vaporized, passengers vaporized, yet those passports, a red bandanna and a few other pieces of evidence made it through those massive fire-balls of jet fuel fully intact without burns. And then they just so happened to find them. Man, talk about miracles. How convenient. How unbelievably convenient.
* Also, the 9-11 hijackers couldn't fly a small plane, how could they fly large commercial jets that are far more complex and then guide them into their targets like ace fighter pilots? And then do so also beyond the designed physical parameters of these jets? How could they do that?
* Mineta's 9-11 Commission under oath testimony of VP Dick Cheney reaffirming the stand down order that Mineta personally witnessed with a military personnel in the WH bunker as the jet (or craft or whatever it was) approached The Pentagon. 30 miles out, 20 miles out, 10 miles out . . . Do the orders still stand? etc. etc. Then this testimony was purposefully left out of the finished 9-11 Commission Report that was published.
* On 9-11-2001 our US military and other agencies were involved in 15 + simulated war games. Geeee, how did Osama Bin Laden get so lucky? How did he know?
* They used box-cutter knives!!! Who here wouldn't fight to get a dang box-cutter knife from some jerk who is brandishing it? C'mon. Do you think a box-cutter knife is going to make a commercial airline pilot give over his aircraft? I laugh.
* Impossible cell phone calls that never made contact . . . yet family members were contacted. How did that happen? More miracles.
* In the WTC towers all 3 that fell, all 3 had (WTC tower #1 and #2, and #7) explosives in the bottom basements as testified by eye-witnesses. Both WTC towers #1 and #2 had these explosives go off prior to the jets hitting them. Eye witness evidnce validate this. Seismic evidence validates this also.
* Prior to collapse all 3 towers had eye-witnesses testify to the fact that they saw, heard, and experienced explosives. Then at the initiation of the collapse and during the collapse of the towers again they saw, heard, and experienced explosives: boom-boom-boom-boom-boom etc. etc. etc. all the way to the ground. There are hundreds of professional first responder eye-witness testimonies taken officially of these experiences, not to mention thousands of lay people on the street who also experienced these explosions. The MSM at the very beginning did indeed report these explosions, but soon we wouldn't ever see them televised again. The only reason we know of these braodcasts are because of free video posting sites like youtube and others where people have posted them.
* WE have the visual, audio, physical experience of eye-witnesses, and the physical empirical evidence of explosives at all 3 WTC tower sites, yet NIST did not ever test for explosives and has refused to do so.
* Massive I-beams between 4 - 20 tonnes were thrown in classic "projectile motion" from the demolitioned towers 100s of meters from the buildings. You can see all the visual evidence of this in countless films of the actual demolitioned WTC towers as they fell. Sorry that just doesn't happen with buildings that just simply fall and collapse only under the force of gravity. Where is all the energy coming from to project these massive beams up-over-and out in classic projectile motion from the simple force of gravity? It can't happen. Once again to believe the OCT you have to violate laws of physics.
* Onto the Pentagon . . . (I'll come back to it)
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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klimmer,
you have so many things that are wrong in this post that it takes too long to point out.
as a side note however, and seriously, i feel very sorry for you buddy. i really do. you have my deepest sympathy as at must be difficult to live life in your shoes with your mental capacity. i wish you the best.
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raymond phule
climber
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Computer hardware and architecture has improved tremendously, mostly due to being able to etch smaller and smaller circuits using less power. But software is nowhere as advanced, and I think most of what is written is short term useful, bloated crap that depends on the faster and faster architecture to make them look decent. Programmers today can't write efficient code on a dare. Its all about the look, and damn little about the application.
I just get the impression that you have never used or seen for example a modern FEM solver or CFD program? Do you talk about the latest version of word or something like that?
The programmers might be bad today. I really don't know but I know that we can do much more complicated and much larger analysis today with the help of computers compared to what we could do in the sixties. The reasons is better computers, better knowledge and better numerical methods.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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C'mon HE, point it out. Where is it wrong specifically.
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raymond phule
climber
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I am still interested in the claims about the pulverized concrete. Why do every just ignore that?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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klimmer,
why the coverup? what was the motivation? what was to be gained? how to control the XXX Top Secret XXX plans on such a massive scale that required multiple government agencies involvement and probably hundreds of people.
who flew the jets into the WTC? i hope you are not disputing that happened?
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monolith
climber
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Massive I-beams between 4 - 20 tonnes were thrown in classic "projectile motion" from the demolitioned towers 100s of meters from the buildings
Klimmer, where's the audio of explosives so powerful they can throw 20 ton I-beams hundreds of meters. Not even standard demo does that and they are loud.
It's one of the most recorded events in history, yet nada.
I'll start your tail chasing below, Klimmer:
But we have reports of explosions...
And what happened to all this 'they collapsed into their footprints' bullsh#t? How can I-Beams be thrown hundreds of meters, yet still land in the building footprint?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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dont worry mono,
those explosion tapes will be edited into existing film clips then distributed on truther web sites and surface here in a few days....it will sound like a large fart.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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I notice you folks conveniently ignore the firefighter accounts that I pointed to. Even gave the page numbers in the report.
Why is that?? Why not address these facts and evidence, instead of making up your own, that you then debunk.
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monolith
climber
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^^Too much Truther bullsh#t, too little time.^^
And I already addressed your Palmer quote. No man can see thru floors.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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I am still interested in the claims about the pulverized concrete. Why do every just ignore that?
Nearly 55 mins. of CBS footage that has been released. This is intense footage to watch.
If you want pulverized concrete dust a plenty here you go . . . ankle thick even . . .
NIST FOIA: Raw CBS 9/11 WTC Footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp2SC_aduTA&feature=related
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monolith
climber
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Yippee, Pulverized concrete again.
Do ya think all that drywall would help make billowy dust Klimmer?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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and pulverized concrete proves what???
you are really grasping at dust particles klimmer if you think that supports explosions....if your scientific method that you use is indicative of these threads then i respectfully must inform you that you are full of $hit and don't know what you are talking about. i dont mean that as an insult, i really fricking mean that.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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It isn't just concrete. No one ever said it is only concrete. A great deal of it is.
The concrete within the dust is indeed pulverized. Are you disagreeing with that?
Edit:
Once again ladies and gentleman you have to look at all the evidence, you can't cherry pick and ignore any of it. There is only one explaintion that fits all the evidence and that is explosives/controlled demolition . . .
* Eye-witness testimony of explosives prior to the impact of the jets, after the jets collided with the towers but before the towers collapse, and then immediately just before collapse and then during the entire collapse.
* Visual video evidence, audio evidence, and physical empirical evidence of explosives within 9-11-2001 dust.
* The entire physics of the witnessed collapse of all 3 towers does indeed point to explosives/controlled demolition. It could not happen only due to aviation fuel and office furniture fires, and the force of gravity alone.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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mono, I am talking about the 6 pages of quotes from firefighters reporting explosions. How come everybody ignores these, but then makes up their own BS, which they then debunk (it's called a strawman).
And your Palmer debunking is about 2nd-grade level.
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raymond phule
climber
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Nearly 55 mins. of CBS footage that has been released. This is intense footage to watch.
If you want pulverized concrete dust a plenty here you go . . . ankle thick even . . .
Do you know that your own link says that the pulverized concrete proves that there where explosives planted in the building? Do you agree with that claim?
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monolith
climber
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I didn't debunk Palmer, K-Man. I debunked your interpretation of Palmers radio messages.
No man can see thru floors K-Man. Fires are not uniformly dense.
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raymond phule
climber
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mono, I am talking about the 6 pages of quotes from firefighters reporting explosions. How come everybody ignores these, but then makes up their own BS, which they then debunk (it's called a strawman).
And your Palmer debunking is about 2nd-grade level.
Why should someone start answering your questions when you ignore their questions?
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