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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:12pm PT
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Other people want to spend OUR money like it was nothing.
That is what they say about you.
Perhaps it is unfair. don't you think, considering what you just said.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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Everyone pays taxes Lois. Everyone.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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The poor die in the war, and their payroll taxes dig into their actual lifestyle more than the total income taxes on the very rich impact their lifestyle. and then the rich complain about 5% tax increase, that's the kind of shared sacrifice GOP believes in
PEace
Karl
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
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Straw man argument Lois. how would raising taxes on the poor fix the underground economy?
Taxes on the wealthy have gone down more then they have on the middle class.
I think that we should have a progressive tax on capital gains.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:29pm PT
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So do the rich and middle class. They die and get maimed as well.
Ugh.. your lack of understanding is profoundly disturbing.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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Consumption taxes hurt the poor more then they do the wealthy. That makes them unfair.
Progressive taxes are the most fair.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:37pm PT
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You are still using a consumption tax to pay for healthcare. Consumption taxes are unfair no matter where you apply them.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:43pm PT
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Some of the noble poor you speak of are not quite so noble as you might think.
you are the one who keeps calling them noble. not me. I have worked with the poor. I know just how messed up they can be.
But they don't create the system. The powerful do. The powerful have you completely gamed to protect them.
Progressive taxes are the most fair tax.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2011 - 01:50pm PT
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Lois..you ramble on emotionally and your long winded comments are not based in facts. You constantly talk about a PO on healthcare but slander the people (democrats) who are for it.
Could you please post one republican in the house who is for the PO...just one.
John wrote: Progressive taxes are the most fair tax.
Yes they are.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:04pm PT
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Lois wrote: They were, indeed, part of the problem, even if they were my brethren in the voting booth. I call a spade a spade.
So why do you vote republican...abortion, religion, low taxes for the rich, higher government spending??
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:09pm PT
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Lois, So your consumption tax is progressive, meaning the first 10000 dollars spent gets one rate, then the next 10,000 dollars gets a higher rate on up the ladder? Is this what you mean?
And consumption on what?
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:12pm PT
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When I add up the columns of "bad" done by the Dems, the list is yet longer according to my value system.
Like your not understanding how war affects the poor more then it does the wealthy, or your not knowing that capital gains taxes are at their lowest rate nearly ever. Or your lack of understanding of Obama's healthcare program in regards to believing that anyone could get low cost high deductible insurance right now, so why do we need it?
You don't engender much confidence in your ability to understand.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:16pm PT
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I know Lois, That is what is so sad. You really do not understand. You will continue to vote republican, no matter how messed up they are, simply because you believe that the dems are worse. even when facts point to otherwise.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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Lois...I still don't get your answer...please post what makes you vote republican.
I can easily tell you why I vote democrat...here a few, clean air, clean water, women rights, civil right, worker rights, education, science, progressive thinking, protecting national parks, wilderness areas, open space lands, animal species to name a few.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:19pm PT
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That would be a flat tax Lois. Flat taxes unfairly hurt the poor. Hopefully some day you will understand this.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:22pm PT
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Lois...would you agree to the tax rates during the Reagan years???
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:27pm PT
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Lois your answer is vague. Makes no sense to me.
Are you for advancing science? Education? Worker rights?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:28pm PT
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Lois wrote: I think we need spending cuts. That sounds GOP to me.
Prove where they cut spending.
Typical republican sound byte.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 27, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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That would be a flat tax Lois. Flat taxes unfairly hurt the poor. Hopefully some day you will understand this.
How does a flat tax "unfairly hurt the poor"? It is reasonable for the rich to pay a larger amount in taxes, but why a higher rate? Under the constitution, we are all entitled to equal treatment under the law. To single out a particular group and make them pay a higher punitive rate simply because they are more successful sounds like discrimination to me.
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