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apogee

climber
Sep 27, 2011 - 02:23am PT
"Assuming she found out, I think she might not even divorce me"

One of my lifelong best friends (who is also a Texas conservative, and the best man at my wedding) says the secret of his 26 year marriage is to 'keep 'er drunk- if she ever sobers up, it's over!'
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 27, 2011 - 02:46am PT
roxjox marries leb, a match made in heaven
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 27, 2011 - 03:01am PT
There is a heck of a lot of people who don't have $5000 readily at their disposal. Those folks who think $5000 is NBD most likely have other insurance otherwise for a lot of people, that is a lot of money. If you are very indigent, you have other options. I think it targets a niche.

Does you policy cap out at a low level?

Doesn't matter Lois. Say you have some equity in a house but not near $5000. You could get your $150,000 triple bypass and, as long as you have insurance, they bill you for it later. If you can't pay, they'll work out payments and even settle for 50cents on the dollar a year later to clear their books. Way better than losing the house or having to BK (particularly if you Cant bk)

Not to mention, the cost of a 150,000 proceedure on an uninsured person is only charged around 75,000 or less to a person with insurance, just cuase they have a deal

My policy was something like 3500 deductible, not much more max out of pocket of a year and million total cap

Make me look like a fool. I did some research and can't find this no questions ask HEALTH NOT LIFE insurance you're talking about. Prove it. Help out others with a link. Paste some text here

Is there anyone here that got health insurance privately (not from work) and didn't have to list their health history?

Peace

karl
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Sep 27, 2011 - 09:35am PT
fast and furious...

who needs a "smoking gun" when you have...er...well, actual smoking guns?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_H4q2UTOk&feature=fvsr


where's the outrage, libs?
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Sep 27, 2011 - 09:42am PT
IIRC, it was Newt who originated the "blow jobs are not sex" defense.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 27, 2011 - 09:54am PT
Karl...just six months out from open heart surgery I feel quite lucky that I could afford to have a decent private health care policy. My out of pocket was low compared to the total amount of the collective bills and don't know how I would have gotten by without insurance.


Healthcare in America has increase a whopping 126 percent in the last ten years, while salary/wages and benefits remain stagnant.

It is going take us down.

Lois mentioned cobra...we were paying $1,100 bucks a month prior to us changing to another carrier. This wasn't chump change for us.



dirtbag

climber
Sep 27, 2011 - 10:43am PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 27, 2011 - 11:16am PT
Lois...I got a very good private plan here in NM for under $500. I thought it wasn't a great plan but looking back and seeing what I paid out of pocket for my care before, during and after open heart surgery I think it is a great policy.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 27, 2011 - 11:28am PT
Lois...I agree with you. Cobra was like having another mortgage payment.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 27, 2011 - 11:43am PT
Geez Lois

Why are Republicans usually wrong like the thread title says

This is from the application for the health insurance you say is "No questions asked"

This provision does not pertain to newborn children,
children under 19 or “HIPAA-Eligible Individuals.” I understand if I receive medical
advice or treatment from a physician or other professional provider for a condition
incurred within a one-year period immediately preceding the Effective Date of
coverage, I must notify Blue Cross of Northeastern Pennsylvania immediately.
I also understand and agree that the Blue Cross of Northeastern Pennsylvania
policy will not provide benefits for me during the twelve-month period following
the effective date on which I become covered under the policy for any condition
for which medical advice or treatment was recommended by or received
from a physician within a five-year period prior to the effective date of the policy.

FYI a HIPAA-eligible person is

A “HIPAA Eligible Individual” is defined as someone who:
1. Has had 18 months of prior creditable coverage (including group health plans, qualifying health insurance coverage, Medicare,
Medicaid, CHAMPUS or other publicly sponsored program);
2. Was most recently coverage under an employer group health plan, governmental plan or church plan;
3. Has elected and exhausted COBRA or similar state continuation of benefits coverage, if it was available;
4. Is not eligible for any other group coverage, Medicare or Medicaid;
5. Does not have other health insurance;
6. Has had no more than a 63 day break in coverage, unless waiting for a period of time to expire before group coverage was effective; and
7. Has not had previous coverage terminated for fraud or non-payment of premium

I understand that by applying for this policy and signing below,
I, in connection with the administration of, or delivery or receipt of benefits,
under the policy, (1) authorize any insurer, organization and health care service
provider to release to Blue Cross of Northeastern Pennsylvania all personal
health information including information relating to past, present and future
health care examinations, treatments and diagnoses

Hardly the blanket solution to those with pre-existing conditions as you advocated.

Kinda sad this your field, and you investigated this and posted it as a solution or advice when it's far from true

peace

Karl


Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:14pm PT
Like I said, I did not investigate it in detail. I was considering once as an alternative to COBRA but decided to bite the bullet and take the COBRA anyway

Like YOU SAID, you claimed it was a no questions asked policy and when called on it, you defended it and claimed to be certain. You said all this to state that the Obamacare fix on preexisting conditions was unnecessary and redundant REMEMBER?.

You don't have to lecture me about nationalized health care because I am in favor of it, remember? I want to see it happen. I just don't think Obama's ideas doe the trick.

I'm lecturing you about posting untruth as truth even when questioned on it

Peace

Karl
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:25pm PT
no no no no Karl, She covered her ass. She said "fairly" certain..

hahahahaha..

Kind of like how certain she was about capital gains taxes.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
Lois wrote: The Dem males think only the "ultra rich" sell off stocks. They don't stop to consider that plenty of plain old middle class people (like me) do it to pay big bills.

That is a lie...Democrats want national healthcare and workers rights.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:46pm PT
You are completely bonkers Lois. Dems are black and white thinkers????????

hahahaha.. no.. you have black and white analysis and can't understand the subtleties. Dems don't want to get rid of the capital gains tax. They just want to raise it back up to 20 percent. Wow.. thats terrible. It has never been that high..hahahhahaha...

Damn Lois. your Emily is showing.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
good grief lois. Quit blowing things out of proportion.

YOU SAID THE DEMS WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX. You also said they were thinking in black and white terms, but it is your analysis that is black and white, much like you interpretation of what I said was black and white.

I did not say it was "no big deal".

It is a big deal, but certainly not worse then it has been.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
Lois, it was 20% forever and dropped to 15% for a time as a stimulus. Now the time to get off the government welfare for stockholders is over and you still pay FAR less than ordinary income tax

Better to cut medicare for the elderly than give up a highly favored deal that would still be a deal

Peace

karl
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
It wasn't 20 percent for that long Karl. In 1996 it was 29.2 percent.

http://forbestadvice.com/Money/Taxes/Federal-Tax-Rates/Historical_Federal_Capital_Gains_Tax_Rates_History.html
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
I am simply trying to point out to you that lots of times people sell off to pay very ordinary bills such as health care premiums and not necessarily to buy caviar for their cats. What is next? I hear they are looking at the home mortgage interest and a few other "fat cat" benefits to cut out.

More twisted interpretation. Mercy Lois. I know about capital gains tax. My dad was an ordinary electrical engineer for the state of california. We didn't live high on the hog. He made most of his money with investments. So I know about capital gains taxes. Okay.. stop with the "dems hate the evil rich" crap. Okay???? It gets old and is full on hogwash.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 01:06pm PT
Other people want to spend OUR money like it was nothing.

This is what donald, skipt, and fatty say about you when you say you want national health care. How do you feel about that?


Once you understand that, can you understand how messed up that interpretation of things is? Liberals aren't heartless fools who only want to spend other peoples money. No matter how many times Skipt, you, Fatty, TGT, donald, or your husband say it.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 27, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
Progressive tax Lois. Consumption taxes porportionally hurt the poor more, just like a flat tax.
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