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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ
It is a beautiful and eloquent presentation by a man who was raised by a lesbian couple, cutting to the heart of what are the important elements of a family.
Edit: Sorry it's already been posted with moveon.org link, here's the youtube direct link
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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"Sin Hurts" – GOD (climbing related!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v63k9Zdlvhg
Sin vs. Hurts (Sin Hurts GOD)
http://crosstrainfitness.com/2009/04/sin-vs-hurts/
Romans 8: 7. “The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.”
When mankind disobeys GOD and man sins, it grieves GOD. It makes him sad:
Genesis 6:7 (NIV)
So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them."
Doing the wrong thing is easy to do. Doing the right thing is hard to do:
Matthew 7:13-14 (KJV)
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Those who live sinfully will not inherit the Kingdom of GOD:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV)
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
“For the wages of sin is death.” Sin put Jesus Christ on the cross. A price has to be paid for sin. Jesus paid that cost. He was the Sacrificial Lamb of GOD. He was sinless. He was the only one who could pay the price for mankind. He, GOD, loves mankind that much. He came down and paid the price himself. He took our place, and when he did the sins of the World were placed upon Jesus Christ. GOD the Father had to turn away from his first begotten Son whom he loves when he bore the sins of the world. Sin hurts GOD that much. But the price was paid in full and Jesus Christ rose from death. “Death where is thy sting?” Mankind now has the hope of salvation and eternal life with GOD. Thanks be to the Son of GOD, Jesus Christ. Thanks be to GOD, the Father.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Come on Klimmer. If you're going to quote the bible as an authoritative source, then man up and address the issue Norton is raising.
If you want to go with "The bible is the infallible word of god" then you better start lobbying for gays to be put to death, and slavery to be brought back, and all that other good stuff your bible lays down in its early chapters.
If you're not prepared to do that, if you only want to cherry-pick biblical references that support your personal beliefs and ignore the ones you don't like, then take your bible thumping elsewhere.
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monolith
climber
berzerkly
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Since God knows everything, God knew he was going to be hurt, God chose to be hurt. It's all God's fault.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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life begins at ejuculation
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Do you think all man-made laws or rules or allowances mentioned in the Bible are of and from GOD?
Hardly.
You have to know the difference and you don't.
Take divorce. Jesus (Emmanuel, GOD with us) said . . .
Matthew 19:8-9
"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives (divorce) : but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife (divorce) , except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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This thread is a great example of what a close minded dumbass I once was (and probably still am).
It's amazing what marijuana and exercise can do for a person. Bought the cool-aid for years, thank god(lol) I went through puberty in the last few years.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2011 - 04:14am PT
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Isn't it great that whack jobs like Klimmer teach kids science?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2011 - 01:14am PT
Isn't it great that whack jobs like Klimmer teach kids science?
DB,
And by your definition Men of Faith and Men of Science would be whack-jobs, huh?
Aristotle
Copernicus
Tycho Brahe
Johannes Kepler
Galileo
Newton
and even perhaps Einstein (to some degree)
and many others . . .
Better learn your history of science. Stop being so ignorant.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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No Klimmer, you are confused.
Those are men of "science", where reason, curiosity, and logic were their forte.
Your world, consists of devils, spirits, little angels, virgin births, and a outright defiance
of the "science" of intellect that those great names in history represent.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2011 - 08:59am PT
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Exactly Norton.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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You don't know your Bible.
You don't know Science or the history of Science.
You certainly do not know what these individuals believed, especially those of the Christian faith. You can learn about it if you are curious and can read.
Try learning about just one to start with . . .
NOVA: Newton's Dark Secrets
Google it. You can watch it on-line. He certainly did believe in the Bible and everything in it including: GOD, the Son of GOD, Lucifer, Angels, Demons, The Last Days, and yes even Bible Code etc. etc. etc.
Get a clue. Get an education.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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There are other major religions but, funny thing, they all think they are the only one.
A buddhist will tell you that a catholic, or muslim, or jew, or zoroastrian can find salvation.
A catholic will tell you that a buddhist will burn in hell.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2011 - 09:29am PT
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Right Klimmer. Tell us more about Noah's ark on yuranus and the bible codes. LOL.
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apogee
climber
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Breaking: California Federal Appeals court declares Prop 8 is indeed unconstitutional, affirming the lower court's earlier ruling...
Next stop, SCOTUS!!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Do you feel comfortable having something important decided by 5 of the 9 ancient fossils on The Supereme Court?
I like my chances better changing the hearts and minds of my fellow citizens ( voters ) than trying to get anything across to those old shitheads on The Court.
A better strategy would have been another initiative to un-do the last one. It would pass when the time was right.
Now, whatever the Supereme Court decides will be set in stone.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals declared Prop Hate unconstitutional. Supreme Court is the next stop, no?
chaz, civil rights are not a matter of popular majority.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What's your recourse if the Big Court goes the other way?
You can't vote them out. All you can do is wait for them to die, but by then the damage done will be permanent.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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"Unconstitutional"! woot!
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