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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 16, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
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I'll give you that much on the cause..holy crap we agree on something....but not on the bailout
Like I said ..presidents these days don't work for communists.. they work for the opposite.
and they sure as hell don't represent the "people"
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 16, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
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bluering take your meds - quickly. You've managed to make even less sense than usual. A miracle.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
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Stewart, make your post posts more concise and I may continue to reply to you. Your continued 'laundry lists' are time-consuming to reply to coherently.
Keep it simple and on-topic. I don't have the time for all yer bullet-points.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 17, 2014 - 05:48am PT
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Loaded question.
It's not a loaded question, it's simple.
If I plant and tend an acre of corn and harvest 20 bushels, am I entitled to that 20 bushels?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jul 17, 2014 - 07:26am PT
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Labor's share of income, in the post WWII era. We are essentially at all-time lows. Capitalism is great, sort of. We have way overshot, time to return some more fruits to labor, or time to for labor to get out the pitchforks and guillotines and remind these f*#kers that the peons vastly outnumber them and would be perfectly happy to see their heads on pikes and bodies swinging from the gallows...we can start in Greenwich, CT and go from there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 17, 2014 - 07:33am PT
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^^^^. That's about the most meaningless graph I've ever seen. Isn't most of that attributable
solely to the ageing demographics?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 17, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
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bluering - yeah, simple is about as much as your twisted mind is capable of comprehending.
You have undoubtedly never heard of Occam's Razor. It's a tool used by many academics who are seeking the most logical explanation for complex problems. It goes this way: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
Bearing that in mind, your hysterical paranoia about a communist conspiracy to infiltrate every organization formed by human beings whose politics are to the left of Hitler (if based in fact) would be of major interest to:
-The FBI
-The CIA
-Homeland Security
-The New York Times (and pretty well every other reputable media outlet on the planet). Also, any of these organizations would pay you a fortune for factual evidence to back up what would arguably be the story of the century.
Let me know how you make out on this, and let me know how large a percentage of the reward you intend to share with me when your amazing revelations hit the front pages.
Oh yeah - you don't like bullet points. At least those who share my beliefs don't figure it's hilarious to use real ones.
Go back to school and learn something about the rest of the world which, just like the U.S., is inhabited by human beings who don't like to see their loved ones get murdered by evil politicians. Or brain damaged ninnies like yourself.
Reilly - no, the graph has little to do with demographics. Many books have been written about this, so here's the admittedly simplified explanation: Before Reagan's masters persuaded him to start the "free trade" ball rolling, most U.S. citizens had access to a job that would actually keep them and their families alive - those were the days when you actually had a thriving industrial base to your economy.
The free trade scam works this way: ship western jobs overseas to a friendly third world country whose worker protection standards are non-existent and the wages are laughably poor compared to those that would be paid to a western employee. Now here's the punch line: the employer then pockets the massive wage difference and starts snivelling to politicians about being over-taxed. Obligingly, the government lowers the corporate tax rate, thereby putting MORE money into corporate feeding troughs. Meanwhile, with all of these jobs headed overseas, western workers begin to realize that if they actually start to demand some rights, then it will probably result in their being black-listed as a troublemaker, making it even more difficult to secure decent employment.
Now, using Occam's Razor, have another look at the graph. Also check the source, or is this U.S. government department controlled by commies?
I would be grateful if someone out there could post the percentage of U.S. wealth held by the top 1% of the U.S. population. Admittedly, I could track this information by myself, but I get migraines attempting to explain the responsibilities of being a member of the human race to bluering. It might even give him a legitimate target for his outrage.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
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COmmunist goals to infiltrate, transform, and weaken America
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
Also The Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto;
The Ten Planks of the
Communist Manifesto
1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx
How "Marxist" Has
the United States
Become?
Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.
1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.
10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .
Few people refer to themselves as Communists anymore. But many still seek the same goals, they just call themselves more 'progressive' names that sound nicer. Same goals though.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 17, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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Dr. Ben Carson says "Buy this book!" I can't possibly imagine that the entire purpose is to create a fear based market for banal writing on easily debunked or irrelevant topics.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
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HDDJ, you got a problem with Doc Ben Carson? Are you racist?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch
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Jul 17, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
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Man, you've a serious case, huh?
Poor bastard.....
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 17, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
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Go back to school and learn something about the rest of the world which, just like the U.S., is inhabited by human beings who don't like to see their loved ones get murdered by evil politicians. Or brain damaged ninnies like yourself.
Great advice from Stewart.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 17, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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Blue Ring you should become a comedian. I always laugh when I read your posts.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
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Go back to school and learn something about the rest of the world which, just like the U.S., is inhabited by human beings who don't like to see their loved ones get murdered by evil politicians. Or brain damaged ninnies like yourself.
I'll bet I've lived in and traveled to more countries than yourself. But I don't really think that is as relevant as you seem to do.
I mean...that is a joke, right? Or something from a previous thread between you two?
Jeremy it's a play on the fact that a conservative cannot criticize a minority on policy without getting called a racist.
Dr. Ben Carson is a black conservative, who once had the NERVE to criticize Obama on his policies, to his face!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 17, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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bluering - brilliantly reasoned response, as always. Oh, yeah - Dr. Carson is what we used to call an Uncle Tom before the term "oreo" became popular.
So is there a tourist market out there where ignorant fascists can go to murder women and children?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
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So is there a tourist market out there where ignorant fascists can go to murder women and children?
I wasn't a "tourist", I said I LIVED in and visited many countries. And your implications such as saying I'm and idiot and like killing women and children have grown tiresome...
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jul 17, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
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blue - good to see you are still brain dead and loud as f*#k....
now get back to the bunker, there may be a crack in your defenses..
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 17, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
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Holy Schist Bluering!!!
The Naked Communist was published in 1958. I suggest you try to find a local chapter of the John Birch Society. If their geriatric members can't update you as to what happened to Commies, no-one can.
I suspect no-one can help you.
Find a new hopeless right-wing paranoid crusade.
Hunting commies has fallen out of fashion, because their aren't any here to hunt.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
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The Naked Communist was published in 1958. I suggest you try to find a local chapter of the John Birch Society. If their geriatric members can't update you as to what happened to Commies, no-one can.
It was re-published in the mid-90's. And maybe you missed where I illustrated where, except for the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), there are those with the same ideologies/goals that simply call themselves different names now. Progressives is one of them.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 17, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
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Bluering: 1958 publish date per Wikipedia for the original edition of The Naked Communist.
You are not learning from the past as should we all-----you are simply a reflex tool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Communist
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