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Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Dec 29, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
I feel he has a very credible record over the years.
MikeMc

Social climber
Dec 29, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
Quick and hopefully easy question from a guy who loathes political discussion for the most part.

I need a reputable, non biased (left or right leaning) source for info on our current presidential candidates. I want a one stop site that actually lists what their platforms are, without any political spin. Does such a thing exist, or is a unicorn? I honestly don't know of any such creature, but I do know that every site I have so far visited, turns out to be basically a propaganda site.

So politically minded ST people, where can a non political guy go to find info to make an informed choice.
Norton

Social climber
Dec 29, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
Mike,

check out this link, unbiased, can see what the candidates actually said on the issues

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

and here is another good one

http://www.politifact.com/
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 29, 2015 - 03:24pm PT
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

http://votesmart.org
Includes who funds them
MikeMc

Social climber
Dec 29, 2015 - 03:25pm PT
Thanks. Def better than Politico
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Dec 29, 2015 - 05:25pm PT
what do you think he isn't paying attention to?

Norton

Social climber
Dec 29, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
another 14 year old checks in
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 29, 2015 - 05:50pm PT
here's another

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/


From it we learn that the department of defense and the food and drug administration are on Trump's list of top contributors.

Your tax dollars at work.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 06:14am PT
Hermit: So you actually think that ISIL is an existential threat to the United States? It's hard to know exactly what you're trying to convey when you communicate solely via political cartoons.


News Updates:

A grand jury decided not to indict the police officers who shot 12 year old Tamir Rice. He was peacefully playing with a toy gun when someone called the police reporting it but also stating that he believed it was a toy. That information was never relayed to police and they rolled up on the child and immediately shot him. If you haven't seen the video (click the link) it's pretty sickening.

A guy went into a convenience store and began harassing the Sikh clerk working there. When asked to leave he smashed a beer bottle on the clerk's head.

In case you are one of the few people who knew he was running, George Pataki suspended his presidential campaign today via web video. Presumably, this is Jim Gilmore's big chance to finally pick up some steam.

The US spying on Israel also scooped up communications from US congresspeople. (paywall)

Bill Cosby will (finally) be charged related to a 2004 sexual assault.
Bushman

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Elk Grove, California
Dec 30, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 08:02am PT
Is that copied from somewhere or did you come up with that? A great smile starter for the day.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Dec 30, 2015 - 08:03am PT
One of those couldn't help myself had to write it kind of things.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Dec 30, 2015 - 08:24am PT
Bushman,
That's pretty funny.

I liked this cartoon:
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 09:26am PT
Well done, Bushman!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 10:20am PT
It was confirmed by the WSJ that Netanyahu's speech before Congress was designed to be a big "f*#k you" to Obama.

Mr. Boehner (R., Ohio) and Mr. McConnell (R., Ky.) knew secrecy was key. If word leaked out, they believed the White House would pressure Mr. Netanyahu to decline. To ensure the invitation would come as a surprise, the leaders decided to tell only their closest aides.

“We knew this would be a poke in the eye,” a person close to the Republican leaders said of the invitation.

The immediate concern was whether Mr. Netanyahu would agree to accept the invitation. Mr. Netanyahu’s relationship with Mr. Obama was already deeply troubled. Initially, the two Republicans weren’t sure the prime minister would be eager to make that situation even worse by entering into a direct political fight with the president in Congress.

When Mr. Boehner called Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer on Jan. 9, the ambassador said he liked the idea and would sound out the prime minister, according to a person familiar with the call.

From the beginning, Mr. Boehner wasn’t entirely comfortable with what was a clear breach of protocol. Typically, only the White House would extend such an invitation in consultations with Congress. He and Mr. McConnell did not tell the White House about their discussions at any point during the planning, congressional officials said.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Dec 30, 2015 - 10:35am PT
HDDJ...said
It was confirmed by the WSJ that Netanyahu's speech before Congress was designed to be a big "f*#k you" to Obama.


What you need the WSJ to let you know that?



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Dec 30, 2015 - 10:37am PT
Of course not, guyman. But it's pretty noteworthy when Murdoch's tool becomes the voice of truth that everyone else knew was the case.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 30, 2015 - 10:47am PT
Of course not, guyman. But it's pretty noteworthy when Murdoch's tool becomes the voice of truth that everyone else knew was the case.

If you read the Wall Street Journal, you know it is no one's tool, and certainly not Murdoch's. It's editorial stance was always far to the right (or, in today's Republican party, seemingly, moderately centrist), but its news is among the most objective anywhere.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2015 - 10:52am PT
Before Murdoch took over that was generally the case. "Most objective anywhere" may not be fully accurate but it had a solid wall between the reporting and the editorial page. Part of editorial bias is choosing where to put your reporters and how loud to trumpet your reporting and I do not know how consistent the WSJ's current practice is with pre-Murdoch. Here's a great (if clumsy) example of how those kinds of biases work out behind the scenes:

I have watched in recent days as Mr. Schroeder has emerged as a spokesman for a billionaire with a penchant for politics who secretly purchased a Las Vegas newspaper and is already moving to gut it. I have learned with horror that my boss shoveled a story into my newspaper – a terrible, plagiarized piece of garbage about the court system – and then stuck his own fake byline on it. I admit I never saw the piece until recently, but when I did, I knew it had Mr. Schroeder’s fingerprints all over it. Yet when enterprising reporters asked my boss about it, he claimed to know nothing or told them he had no comment. Yesterday, they blew the lid off this idiocy completely, proving that Mr. Schroeder lied, that he submitted a plagiarized story, bypassed what editing exists and basically used the pages of my newspaper, secretly, to further the political agenda of his master out in Las Vegas. In sum, the owner of my paper is guilty of journalistic misconduct of epic proportions.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 30, 2015 - 11:00am PT
HDDJ,

As a Journal reader for over 40 years, I see no change in the news other than format. For example, the "third from the right" column still exists daily, but it's not just one column, nor is it always third from the right. And the news summary isn't divided between "What's News" and "Who's News," but rather between business news and general news. Murdoch was smart enough to know who buys the Journal and why, and hasn't changed it the way we feared.

Even the content of the Opinion section is largely unchanged. I wasn't kidding when I described it as "moderately centrist," compared to how I would have described it in 1973, namely "way to the right." Sad to say, that isn't because it moderated its editorial policy, but because the Republican Party's self-styled conservatives are so far out there.

John
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