Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
|
Karl,
I have bought a lot of ammunition over the internet. It is the best way to get exactly the products you want. Stores and shows are hit and miss (so to speak.)
The reason I bring it up is that your graphic is factually incorrect. To purchase ammo on the web from a legal source you must submit a scan of your drivers licence / photo id to prove you are of age and who you say you are. The seller is required to have this id on record for each transaction they make. The rules are spelled out explicitly on ammoman.com.
When the delivery arrives, say by UPS, you must again show id and sign for it.
Recently California passed, and Benedict Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the ammunition accountability act. It is now illegal to purchase ammunition via the internet in California. I'm sure this will solve the problem of random gun violence.
Regarding the Empire State Building incident, I expect we will find out that a lot of the injured bystanders were hit by ricochets. There is a lot of polished stone and steel surface right there.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
|
I have no idea how they could possibly have accidental shootings with a Glock. IMO, the safest semi-auto handgun there is. It acts just like a revolver with their unique trigger safety system.
It may the caliber of round, not cops, that caused the injuries. A 9mm and .40 caliber round go through a victim quite nicely, but may hit other people beyond! Cops should go back to .45 caliber rounds. Just sayin'.
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=08/25/2012&SO=&HC=2&ID=350743
(read the comments)
EDIT: My fav comment?
Accurate?
You don't have to center punch a guy with a .45 to take them down. Hit an adversary ANYWHERE with a .45 and they go down.
But crap guys, how hard is it to hit a human sized target that's only 20 to 50 feet away? I carried the .45 the entire time I was in the Army and I think it is more accurate than that freaking popgun M-16. And BTW I shot EXPERT on the .45 every time I qualified and I thought it was an easy weapon to use once you got used to the recoil.
Sappers over ran our fire base and fragged my hooch, I got out of there in my underwear with a .45, spent the entire night in a fire fight with a .45. I tell you for a fact that a VC centerpunched with a .45 with go backwards several feet in the air.
I heard a lot of complaints about the 9 mm only irritating the bad guys from Marines and Army guys who came back from Afghanistan or Iraq. I was wondering when common sense was going to win out in the handgun department. I know the Italians are making a .45 version of the 92F because of the complaints and I know Brits and Poles were scrounging up .45's too.
The 9 mm is a piece of crap worthless weapon best used as a club or an object thrown. Most police departments here in SoCal are going to the .40 S&W or .45...they found out how useless the 9mm was.
Geez guys you found out how worthless the .38 special was and you went BACK to equivalently the same stupid weapon?
|
|
Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
|
That law was overturned by the courts in Jan of 2011, just before it was to take effect.
Seriously?? Wow, well if anyone should know you should. Thanks for the info.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
|
Bluering, the only 9mm and .40 that might go through someone would be a FMJ type projectile. Twisting hollow points, the kind we use, would NOT go through.
Good point point, but i'd be surprised if NYPD is firing hollows. Bottom line - the cops did their job. Shot the perp. Sorry if anybody else got hurt.
Oh, and LEO should use .45ACP. If a cop pulls his weapon, he should win the gun battle quickly. One hit, perp down, disabled.
But I'm not a cop...so I defer to you.
|
|
TGT
Social climber
So Cal
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
|
I have no idea how they could possibly have accidental shootings with a Glock. IMO, the safest semi-auto handgun there is. It acts just like a revolver with their unique trigger safety system.
We have three of them. I completely agree with your statement.
One has a two digit SN# and a very light trigger. Still completely safe unless handled with total negligence.
The problem is (or was at the time) NYPD not the firearm.
|
|
TGT
Social climber
So Cal
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
|
I believe you misread that.
The gunman had the .45
NYPD was an early adopter of the Glock. That was 20 years or so ago. I have no idea what they use now.
|
|
tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
|
Regardless if they were useing 9mm or more likly .40 they sprayed and prayed...
|
|
Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
|
TGT - thanks for the clarification.
|
|
donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
|
|
|
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
|
Cannot understand how anyone would think that the NYPD did there job by getting the perp AND wounding 9 bystanders.....doesn't sound like very good police work to me.
|
|
zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 12:03am PT
|
sheeit - i thought it was napalm that smelled so good.
i'd suggest that several folks either snort of shove some up their asses.
you can always shower afterwards.
|
|
beef supreme
climber
the west
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 01:00am PT
|
Random, semi on topic, question:
How many of you have purchased a firearm in the last, say 60 days.
I bought my first 12ga about 6 months ago, don't use it at all- which is fine, i got it for bear protection, etc while at work.
However, I've been thinking of buying a pistol- perhaps a XD.45
Anyhow, I was raised with guns, but never really owned any; have any of you been more inclined to purchase a firearm after all the shootings that seem to be going on the last few months?
I've been finding myself more interested of late- perhaps it's because I'm finally settled down into a place with the girlfriend, maybe because it's in the shady end of town, maybe it's all the crazy sh#t you hear about on the news.... maybe a lot of things.
Anyone else feel this way? Like you've been on the fence, but you made the decision of late?
|
|
Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 09:54am PT
|
Not at all beef supreme. Not buying guns here.
|
|
kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 09:59am PT
|
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 11:57am PT
|
"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
-Jesus Christ
|
|
Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
|
Chaz- didn't he say full auto and as much ammo as you can hoard?
|
|
monolith
climber
albany,ca
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
|
"Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
-Jesus Christ.
Two can play the bible game, Chaz.
|
|
tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
|
|
|
Aug 26, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
|
Seems to me that Jesus had a pretty balanced view of things, if you read those two quotes in context you can come to a congruent conclusion about what He meant and how it applies to us now. Read it all a little more and see if you still think the same thing!
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!