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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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I don't remember anything about endangered species, apart maybe from a joke about the rare gondola frog in Olesen Creek. Michael Feller, Ph.D., a well known forestry professor from UBC, is on the record as stating that the biogeoclimatic zone that the proposed gondola route falls within is currently underrepresented in the provincial parks and protected areas system, under BC Parks' own targets.
Heli-mountain-biking? Ha ha, nice try. Next you'll be trying to convince me that people ride their bicycles downhill, but can't be bothered to ride uphill.
As for what Ryan and Hamish have been discussing - yes, in addition to the other issues, there has been a lack of transparency, of independent review, and of independent opportunities for all the concerned public to state their views. Petitions by FOSC only partly fill that gap, but at least allow many to express their views who hadn't otherwise been able to. They're arguably less subjective than the proponent's infomercials, though. And notwithstanding Hamish's comments, we have signatures, and he doesn't.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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I actually quite enjoy riding my bike uphill. The reason I mentioned the heli-bikers riding Goat Ridge @ $200/head is simply to reiterate the fact that lots of riders would gladly pay $30/head for a ride which would be very comparable. Sorry, I thought I was being pretty obvious with my first explanation; I'll try to keep it a little clearer in the future.
My apologies for not gathering any signatures; I wasn't aware this was my Baby. Oh right, it isn't.
Oh Man Anders, I'm out there ten hours a day... you want me to work too?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Those are council votes, not petition signatures- hardly a comparison. Once again bearbreeder, you miss the point entirely.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Petitions etc don't usually 'prove' much, and often don't do much more than provide a basis from which to argue that the government should reconsider a flawed decision/process, including a more objective assessment of public opinion.
FOSC members who attended the infomercials reported that the same 40 - 50 people were at many of them, the usual suspects who also showed up in Britannia on April 19th. The proponent's homies, all on a first name basis with them, all well prepared. SOP, but kind of transparent.
472 on-line, 129 FaceBook, about 240 signatures on paper, so that's up ten or fifteen since yesterday. OK considering it's a weekend, and that a bunch of signatures were collected yesterday and today that aren't reported yet.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Homies. Transparent this, transparent that. The Usual Suspects was a great movie. I've got to go to bed.
Kaiser-Solzei.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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The proponent's homies, all on a first name basis with them, all well prepared. SOP, but kind of transparent.
And what do you think they say about you and your crowd? Exactly the same stupid thing. "Yeah, there were the usual forty or fifty granola-heads that all know each other, all well prepared. SOP, but kind of transparent."
Anders, I've seen you attack the Republitards and the religious folk for going about things exactly the way you're going about things here. Think about it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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David, I have it on reliable authority that the pro-gondola people met immediately before the meeting in Britannia on April 19th, and prepared for it. Our source didn't reveal the extent to which that meeting was arranged and run by the proponents, but they were present.
Most of the FOSC committee had never met in person before April 19th, and only did so outside the meeting. We're getting better organized, have supporters, and communicate with them, so maybe if there is another public meeting, we'll see if we can interest any of them in meeting beforehand to prepare. There's probably very little you don't know about FOSC and its doings. A classic asymmetry, whereby the proponents are much more able to manage their message than critics, if nothing else due to having greater resources. Which is why the government ought to be objectively scrutinizing the actual plans and running an objective process.
All attempts to manipulate public opinion should be exposed. An example being the modern trend of developers, and their publicists/shills, trying to greenwash what they're doing.
Perhaps you should turn your critical faculties to the proposal, for a change, and examine it. Sure, we have only each other to talk with - no one else, particularly the proponents, seems to want to play. But let's keep it polite, eh?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I don't know, Bruce. The last time I used the outhouse at the Apron, each square of the toilet paper had on it "Sign here if you support the proposed gondola". Something like that, anyway. The paper in the outhouse at the campground was for those opposed to the gondola, or the process, or both. An economy measure, perhaps.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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By the way, M.H., now that you've brought your brother in on the debate, how about printing his two cents as he's hiked that thing more than everyone on here put together, times ten.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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He can speak for himself, if he wants. He's posted here before.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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We'll take that as a "for".
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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The announcement of a GM with his level of experience indicates to me that there is more to the gondola project than simply building a seasonal tourist attraction. This is way too risky a business venture as it is currently described for experienced ski area developers to set out on without a larger project in the wings...
... these are my hunches. Any development beyond the current publicly announced plan will be with the blessing of the managers of Crown Lands.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Well let me say this is the BEST news we've had yet. Jason will do an excellent job.
Fixing myself a bowl of Special Kay to celebrate.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Geeze Anders, give him a chance already.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Nice link Anders, that's just another great example of the media bring the true, hard, unbiased facts to the people. How convenient.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Please explain how 80 full-time jobs are supported by a seasonal tourist gondola?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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There are lots of unchallenged assumptions and promises in the proposal. If it was to go ahead, get all the promises in writing, with solid performance bonds that the governments are prepared to require the proponent to comply with.
As of today:
e-petition: 472 http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/squamishchief/ (Internal duplicates removed)
FaceBook: 131: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsoftheSquamishChief
Paper: 275 (still tallying, and not all in)
Given that some of the FaceBook signers overlap with the e-petition, getting toward 850 total. Not including groups that have indicated support.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Please explain how 80 full-time jobs are supported by a seasonal tourist gondola?
The article written by the GM contradicts everything on the FAQ page so not sure any more...is it seasonal or is it open all year long?
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Jim, you're better than you think. The name of that stellar bike ride which starts on Goat Ridge is Disneyland.
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