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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 25, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
This LEB, Skipt and Karl thing is really nasty. What is the point? Is it that if you ever offer me money or helping me out, I will for ever lose my right to show you the flaws in your reasoning? I havent seen this nasty mechanism clearer since the Sopranos.
apogee

climber
Sep 25, 2011 - 04:24pm PT
Yeah, Perry wilted pretty quick, didn't he? Almost as fast as Fred Thompson, but with more fireworks. Still, it's early yet, and the guy goes jogging with a gun...no telling where this could go.

Are you part of the HermanNation, TGT?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 25, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
i need to say something.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 25, 2011 - 05:22pm PT
Karl, Maybe it was somehow a misunderstanding.

Yes, but mostly in your reading comprehension. I never asked for Money, Skip never mentioned money plainly, and so it never came to these detailed questions. He was a good guy and expressed concern over my health, recommended a surgeon, and told me to ask If I needed help and I thank him for that.

peace

Karl
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 25, 2011 - 05:52pm PT
So show us where you offered to help Karl beyond making an introduction to a surgeon.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 25, 2011 - 07:20pm PT
I make a general post somewhere about conservatives having a double standard regarding the spending of vast amounts of government money and you cite that me personally calling you a "greedy fraud"? Am I the only one who feels that this is a stretch? (not to mention you don't answer the point) Can I then take every negative thing you've said about the left as a personal dig or do I have to just use the words you've said directly to me like "asswipe" a few hours ago? Have I ever directly addressed you that way?

Our military spending is like welfare for the rich. We aren't defending our borders from invasion when we spend trillions invading oil rich countries who didn't attack us. We are serving the interests of the rich corporations in the energy and military-undustrial complexes.

If the above quote is evidence I called you a greedy fraud, then I'm sure you did offer to pay all my expenses without ever mentioning the world "pay" or "money" even once.

Peace

karl

Makes me sick to see all these conservatives making the case that we need to leave poor and many middle income people without medical care so we can save money but they didn't seem to mind spending trillions to Help the Poor Iraqi's get democracy by bombing them

Shame
-Karl Baba

Karl,

I could make a field day with all the quotes you have made about greed.
You lie all the time. None of what you wrote here is true. I am so f*#king glad I didn't help you. I bless god for intervening.

So instead:

Rattle your own cage. Grow up. Get your own healthcare. Quit thinking government is your own little personal charity.

Are you a real man or aren't you?


Skip
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 25, 2011 - 07:30pm PT
Our military spending is like welfare for the rich. We aren't defending our borders from invasion when we spend trillions invading oil rich countries who didn't attack us. We are serving the interests of the rich corporations in the energy and military-undustrial complexes.

Does that apply to Afghanistan too?

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 25, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
I do credit Skip with trying to help by the way. Here's the email which Skip honestly tried to help but where we differ comes from whether there is an offer to pay for anything in the last line. Perhaps that was the intent, perhaps it's just the greedy me who often says similar things to people without thinking I'd be paying their bills.

Thanks Skip, this was more than others relative strangers offered

I repost this since people are by now scratching their heads wondering about the details.

Karl,

I just wanted to send you a personal note and say heal up.

Also, I know of a guy, not really a friend but we have met a few times. He is a climber, and back country skier and more importantly one of the finest ortho guys on the west coast. He specializes in sports injuries and is located in Fresno.

His name is Dr. Eric Hanson. He is a good man and like I said, one of the finest ortho's around.

If you have a chance to interview Dr.'s for your surgery I highly recommend putting him on the list.

Anyway, take care and heal up. And, if I can ever do anything - please, never hesitate to ask.


Skip

Karl,

That sucks.

Anyway, I don't know if it will do any good, but Dr. Hanson is on the board of a non profit I work with. I emailed the director of the group (an old friend and former owner of California Outfitters) asking him if there was anyway he could help facilitate an introduction between the two of you. (You and the Dr.) I really hope I wasn't out of line doing this. If so, I deeply apologize.

It may not go anywhere. In fact, it may go absolutely nowhere. Shane is in the backcountry this time of year working. I left him a message on his cell phone as well. I don't know what your time period is but I will let you know as soon as I hear something. It could literally be a week, it could even be more.

To be quite honest, Karl. This may end up being a big fat zero of an idea, I just thought that if there was even the "off hand chance" (pun totally intended) of getting you good help, it was worth a shot.

I am not medically trained but everything I hear is that Dr. Hanson does excellent work. And, the fact that he is someone that will appreciate all you do in climbing ... well, he just might take a second look. It is an idea. It is a hope. That is all.

Good luck,


Skip
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I appreciate the thought> i wouldn't worry about it. I found a highly trained hand surgeon that would dave donated treatment to me but it gets too complicated when the surgery centers and other staff come in the picture. It will work out. Thanks for your efforts

Peace

Karl

I still also don't get how the above email exchange somehow invalidates, or makes wrong, my criticisms of the spending priorities of conservatives. Why don't we ask the defense contractors to work at cost or minimal for the protection and benefit of our country at war? What happened to the war profiteering trials around WW2?
apogee

climber
Sep 25, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
Gosh, I wish I had that 'Scarlett Johannson eating popcorn' .gif (the one where she keeps bouncing into her boob)...I'd post it right now....
apogee

climber
Sep 25, 2011 - 07:50pm PT
Found it!

Now, how do you post animated .gifs...? (They don't work like they used to)
apogee

climber
Sep 25, 2011 - 07:59pm PT
"...is that libs tend to make sweeping generalizations about conservatives and specifically that they are "greedy," "selfish," "uncaring," etc."

And conservatards never make their own sweeping generalizations about libtards...

Nope.

Never.

Nosirree.

Nada.

Doesn't happen.


Baaaad libtard.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 25, 2011 - 08:05pm PT
Except at this point it appears that the whole.." I offered to pay for everything" argument that Skip puts forth was all in his head.

I would like to see an email. I know that Karl searched his emails for any email from Skip and the ones he posted are all that he has. I don't know what happened, but I don't think its fair for Skip to say the things he did without backing them up.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 25, 2011 - 08:39pm PT
What a dysfunctional bunch of nut jobs.

Might want to look at the beam in your own eye first.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Sep 25, 2011 - 08:40pm PT
Generosity doesn't excuse his behavior.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 25, 2011 - 08:43pm PT
Skip is a lying sack of %#@(...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 25, 2011 - 08:47pm PT
Skip wrote: You lie all the time. None of what you wrote here is true. I am so f*#king glad I didn't help you. I bless god for intervening.

God didn't intervene you dumb sh#t...he/she/it had nothing to do with you not offering to pay for Karl's medical expenses.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Sep 25, 2011 - 09:01pm PT


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 25, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8788223/Christine-Lagarde-IMF-may-need-billions-in-extra-funding.html

If every sovereign nation is borrowing,

who's left to borrow from?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 25, 2011 - 09:33pm PT
I also feel that there is a cultural gap which he cannot bridge and which causes him to come forth with some profoundly erroneous conclusions, specifically as they pertain to me. That fact, in combination with the escalating level of emotionality which I am noting, leads me to conclude that it is in the best that he and I not hold any further such discussions. At the very minimum, it wastes valuable time.

MS THOUSANDS OF POSTS ON A CLIMBERS FORUM?

Twit.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 25, 2011 - 09:47pm PT
Our military spending is like welfare for the rich. We aren't defending our borders from invasion when we spend trillions invading oil rich countries who didn't attack us. We are serving the interests of the rich corporations in the energy and military-undustrial complexes.


Sweet, so you're cool with putting US troops on the southern border? Awesome!!!


Skip, old boy, you remind me of Woody. Direct, conservative, and constantly pissing off the libs around here. Keep it up, for Woody's sake.

I try, but sometimes it's nice to have some help....
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