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jogill
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Colorado
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Dec 16, 2017 - 11:40am PT
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I don't think Sycorax is "grinding an ax," per se
You are overly kind in your comment. It's one thing to stand up for your discipline, but one needn't viciously denigrate others.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 16, 2017 - 11:55am PT
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...are knocks against the abacus in his trunk.
never used an abacus, but guilty of "slide rule on my bookcase."
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 16, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
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“Narrative” may well be term that one might use to parade vogue dilettantism, but it is also code for a complaint from more postmodern literary theorists. Their complaint? Too much narration, or at least that narration is a third-person point of view that tends to be intellectually hegemonic.
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Good point, Mike, but my sense of it is that many so-called literary theorists were attempting to grasp, wrangle, codify, and otherwise nail down what literature IS, as something one can hold up and say, "That's it." Sure, there are common features found in those works that last and speak across the ages, but literature cannot be defined, though the exercise of doing so, or attempting to, is worthy of close study.
And when I use the word narrative, I'm always thinking literature.
When I'm teaching writing, the hardest part is finding useful guidelines that will stick in the minds of students in a way that improves their work. Though not true in any absolute sense, we can look at writing (which basically is just communication) as existing across a continuum, with journalism at one end and literature at the other.
The currency for journalism is information, redolent of facts and figures and organized to be logically coherent and "right." Literature trades in experience, and often involves the suppression of facts and figures. A hybrid form is literary journalism or non-fiction literature. None of these modes are attainable in pure form, but by striving toward the experiential, the curse of the hegemonic is diminished.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 16, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
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Woohoo! Ten thousand plus posts!!!!
“These things cannot be explained in detail. From one thing, know ten thousand things. When you attain the Way of strategy there will not be one thing you cannot see. You must study hard.”
~ Miyamoto Musashi
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 16, 2017 - 01:48pm PT
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diatoms?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 16, 2017 - 01:53pm PT
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time? narrative? Kurt Vonnegut look-a-like?
There isn’t any particular relationship between the messages, except that the author has chosen them carefully, so that, when seen all at once, they produce an image of life that is beautiful and surprising and deep. There is no beginning, no middle, no end, no suspense, no moral, no causes, no effects. What we love in our books are the depths of many marvelous moments seen all at one time.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 16, 2017 - 02:37pm PT
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Thanks for the diatom pic, Ed. Very cool.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 16, 2017 - 03:23pm PT
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Clambering up the Cold Mountain path,
The Cold Mountain trail goes on and on:
The long gorge choked with scree and boulders,
The wide creek, the mist-blurred grass.
The moss is slippery, though there’s been no rain
The pine sings, but there’s no wind.
Who can leap the world’s ties
And sit with me among the white clouds?
From Cold Mountain poems
Translation, Gary Snider
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 16, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
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In pursuit of becoming culturally literate, count James Joyce's Ulysses as a mainstay
And that's why I am happily illiterate.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 16, 2017 - 06:20pm PT
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John, Thanks for the Gary Snyder!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 16, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
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The NFL Vs Religion Vs Science
Take a knee for Je_Sus
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Ice 9, Cats Lives (& by implication cradles) THE SAME, tie
tHIS Bears repeating
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 16, 2017 - 09:11pm PT
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Time to celebrate 10,000 manifestations....
Ganesha (Lambodara) in whom all the universes of the past, present, and future are present; the placer and remover of obstacles, lord of buddhi (knowledge), personification of the primal sound Aum, seed within muladhara - root of all chakras
Ardhanarishvara in whom masculine and feminine energies of the universe (purusha and Prakriti) exist as one, merging of Shiva and Shakti, universal unity of opposites/non-duality, generation of all creation by the polarity (lust) between opposites
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 16, 2017 - 09:21pm PT
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The pope said: "You shouldn't fall into the 'sins of communication:' disinformation, or giving just one side, calumny that is sensationalized, or defamation, looking for things that are old news and have been dealt with and bringing them to light today."
He called those actions a "grave sin that hurts the heart of the journalist and hurts others."
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 16, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
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Yeah, lying is a sin.
That was easy.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Dec 17, 2017 - 08:04am PT
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Malemute, Cool! Thanks!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 17, 2017 - 08:47am PT
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aBrown quoting pope: . . . calumny . . . .
Now there’s a word that one doesn’t often read, unless one reads Shakespeare.
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sempervirens
climber
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Dec 18, 2017 - 04:14pm PT
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Well, if that’s all there is to knowledge—knowing what words mean—then everyone must be full up. I can’t begin to say how shallow it is to claim that one knows something because they can use a dictionary fruitfully.
No definitions are not all there is to knowledge. Of course not, I've said nothing of the sort.
MikeL, you seem to be trying to take me to task without commenting on what I have said. Why?
Hold no vision sacrosanct. On that we agree. Science includes challenging each other's knowledge, opinions, conclusions, assumptions, etc.
You're familiar with the concept of a straw man argument, right?
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 18, 2017 - 04:18pm PT
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Science includes challenging each other's knowledge, opinions, conclusions, assumptions, etc.
It means actually do the fuking experiment!
Not talk and argue in circles all day long like most of you .......
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