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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Nuts use about the same amount of water per gram of protein as beef.
Other nuts also use a lot of water, we just grow more almonds.
In other words, there are numerous poor uses of water.
http://www.waterfootprint.org/?page=files/Animal-products
"- we should consider water consumed per gram of protein. In this case, pulses (including beans, lentils, peas, etc.) win out at 5 gallons per gram of protein, followed by eggs at 7.7 gal./gram, milk at 8.2 gal./gram, and chicken at 9 gal./gram. The numbers only go up from there, with beef topping the scale, requiring 29.6 gallons of water per gram of protein."
"Chicken at 518 gallons of water per pound. Beef requires the most water, at 1,847 gal./lb., followed by sheep at 1,248 gal./lb. and pork at 718 gal./lb. If you're going to eat meat, go with chicken. Better yet try eggs, which take 395 gal./lb., or plant based protein. For dairy products, cheese and butter take more than milk at 381 gal./lb. and 665 gal./lb. respectively. Milk by itself uses only 122 gallons of water per pound."
"Hazelnuts and walnuts at 1,260 gal./lb. and 1,112 gal./lb. respectively. That's still a lot of water! But almonds and cashews take more, averaging 1,929 gal./lb. and 1,704 gal./lb. It takes 1,362 gallons of water to produce one pound of pistachios." Olive oil is 1729. Chocolate is 2000.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/food-water-footprint_n_5952862.html
Uses for Chinese water:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Wrights Lake, El Dorado County April 4, 2015. It should be frozen over and there should be at least 4 feet of snow with us on skis instead of wearing approach shoes:
We are going to have hell to pay.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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* oops... I had put this on the wrong thread earlier..
April so far..2015...
4th..
7th..
8th
Hoping for more late spring storms..Like the one big storm last year ....Bring it..
April 26th.2014
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 11, 2015 - 12:29am PT
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Sprinklers were addressed in the previous restrictions. They've been in effect in LA for three years.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 11, 2015 - 07:51am PT
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Rock garden and Astro turf lawns, shuttered golf courses, dust devils in the Central Valley.....brace yourself Oklahoma , a reverse Grapes of Wrath is coming.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 11, 2015 - 08:04am PT
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brace yourself Oklahoma , a reverse Grapes of Wrath is coming.
There may be an exodus from California, but I don't think it's going to be to Oklahoma. Not going to be water there for much longer.
I think it's time to start working on a big fence at the Oregon/California border.
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Apr 11, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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With the lower flow toilets they might not have enough water for the sewer lines to work properly. That's what a plumber was telling me recently.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Apr 11, 2015 - 11:54am PT
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eKat, my grandfather homesteaded with his young family out by Custer Battlefield in 1916. Does that count me as a native Montanan? After his wife died in the great flu epidemic of 1918, grandpa got driven out of the valley by some big guy who bought up all the land and - not surprisingly - grabbed all the water rights and turned off grandpa's spigot. No Montana winter wheat! There are have been problems with drought in the so-called 'Great American Desert' for a long, long, long time! That's how grandpa moved into town and became drinking buddies with Charlie Russell, the cowboy painter, who used to sell his paintings for drinks. Life was hard in Montana in those days. People just died.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 11, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
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With the lower flow toilets they might not have enough water for the sewer lines to work properly. That's what a plumber was telling me recently.
This is becoming a problem. I've met with plant operators at two treatment plants at opposite ends of the size spectrum in the last month or so. Conservation efforts have cut flows thru the plants to the point that they are having new problems in their collection systems and are worried about how the plants are going to handle the increased biological loading.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 11, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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That almost looks like news, Ward!
Edit: "No its an opinion piece."
Ya got that right.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 11, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
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That almost looks like news, Ward!
No its an opinion piece.
A proper criticism of his facts and various points might be your first order of business if you disagree with his comments and think them false or misleading.
My guess is that you didn't even read the piece.
Ya got that right.
Much of the "news" you read, and have been raised on, is opinion with the erroneous presumption of objectivity, especially the political. Hanson is at least being up front and honest.
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AAA
Big Wall climber
The great America!
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Apr 11, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
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Who cares, CA is such a sh#t hole. It's probably best we wipe it from existence anyway. LA is the armpit of the world. Everything except yosemite, save that. And the Sierras. But none of the tourists or rangers, get rid of those duches.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 11, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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Ran into my first Petitioner collecting signatures asking us to support a boycott of Almond and Pistachio Growers here in California.
The sweet young dreadlocked thing showered me with "facts" of how it takes 1 gallon of water to produce 1 individual nut and how both industries combined only account for less than 2% of California's GDP but use 10 % of the water resources.
I promised to not drink Almond Milk.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 11, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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Did you ask her how many gallons of water she'd have to drink to get the protein found in one almond?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 11, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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hey there say, ekat... and bruce morris...
say, so fun, just now, as to charles russell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Marion_Russell
i was just the other night, accidentally found, and saw:
some old death-valley-days western thing, that talked about him...
was fun to think about all his real days, even though this was just
a tv show... :)
happy montana, to you! :)
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Apr 11, 2015 - 11:26pm PT
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almonds take a gallon each, so what?
find a crop that takes 1/2 gallon each?
no. find a crop that takes 0.00 gallons each because nuthin from nuthin leaves nuthin,
agecon 101 for the future, get out the drip lines like the mid east,
weed farming looks good in the rainy north west,
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 12, 2015 - 08:59am PT
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Has anyone heard from Patrick Sawyer (who started this thread)? He's made just one post since February -- which is pretty unusual for him.
Hope he's okay.
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