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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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That most of the warming has been due to humans.
Can you answer my posts now? For example how you came to the conclusion that "Less than 2% of the papers stating a position support that position." when the problem is that most of the articles that stated opinion didn't do it clear enough.
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:06am PT
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One of the study's authors, Dana Nuccitelli, has a blog at The Guardian. Last month he wrote about the IPCC stating "with 95 percent confidence that humans are the main cause of the current global warming". He twisted that into "100 percent of the global warming over the past 60 years is human-caused, according to the IPCC's latest report". That's a lie. It's propaganda.
I have just skimmed that article but it is clear that he tries to explain what he means. You know that not everything is about finding catchy sentences that you can disagree with?
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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Yes, I know that. Can you now answer what the implications of that is and how you come to that conclusion?
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Chiloe
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Lee, NH
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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It was part of the title.
We've established that Sketch can't read this stuff, and is sure he does not need to.
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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It was part of the title.
Yes, I know and I hoped that you and other people read the full article before making claims about lies.
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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Apparently, some of the alarmists are okay with blatant lies.
It's good for the cause, eh?
Blatant lies? You know that the IPCC report are more than a couple of paragraphs with conclusions?
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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So, it's okay for headlines to be flatout lies if the story doesn't confirm them?
Did you read that article? Did you understand it?
I have just skimmed it but to me it seems like it is his interpretation of the full ipcc report and that the headline is thus not a lie.
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:48am PT
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What's the IPCC report have to do with anything I've said?
Lets see. I think that you have written about lies, ipcc and Dana Nuccitelli on the last pages. Where it someone else?
edit: To be very clear. You said that Nuccitelli lied because he wrote something that you couldn't find verbatim in the ipcc report.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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fuking idiot
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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Apparently, some of the alarmists are okay with blatant lies.
Apparently all of the scientists, but many fewer denialists, are able to read.
It's good for the cause, eh?
It's not a cause, it's reality, though it doesn't look like we are smart enough to slow down before the sharp curves ahead.. The "cause" part is coming from you. You started your "liar liar liar" calls against Cook et al. -- a paper you haven't read and apparently can't -- by citing a right-wing journalist, remember? Because he agreed with your cause.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Are these guys even smart enough to suffer from Dunning-Kroger?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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Mentalcase, Your place of employ, Sandia/Los Alamos, is the biggest welfare institution for useless scientists on the face of the planet. Probably a good 50% of you there would have no chance of a meaningful career without massive government waste.
I agree with you on one point mentalcase, a feeble signal as in the case of the .01 TSI average fluctuation over a typical schwab cycle can over a prolonged trend add up into meaningful climate change. Case in point is solar cycles 19-23 which were of pronounced high activity-by definition a grand maximum. Cycle 24 and onto 25 or more are forecast to have unusually low activity and might constitute a grand minimum of Dalton or even Maunder proportions. If this happens as forecast several testable effects will occur- one the average global temps will decrease with pronounced cooling over the mid to high latitudes- two the atmospheric content of CO2 should decrease slightly since most of it is caused by liberation from increased surface temps.
The continuation of my DNA is already assured Mentalcase. I have three children, all self supporting, all with degrees from good universities, all working in the private sector. I trust you followed your ideology and failed to procreate thereby extinguishing your miserable line.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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^^^^^^ D'oh! ^^^^^
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
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As expected. You just attacked me instead of reading the article.
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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It is "strange" that climate change "skeptics" almost always do the same thing.
They appear and claim that they are unbiased and wants to learn.
They came up with the latest and hottest denier blog topic that misrepresent something. Often already had this stage hinting at a conspiracy among scientist.
People try to explain to them, ask them to read the real source and similar thing.
They parrot what they read on the denier blog a couple of more times. Ignoring the explanations and of course not reading the sources. Words like warmist and alarmist are often used.
After a while other people start to be frustrated.
The "skeptics" now take that as a proof that the scientist are involved in a huge conspiracy and they go home and cry a little in mummy's lap because other people have been mean to them.
Any discussion about the actual science rarely happens at all.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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Talking of evolution; where is the evolution and acceptance of energy generation science? Why aren't we deploying the latest generation of fission reactors, why does net gain nuclear fusion always seem to be thirty years out, why hasn't cost effective storage for intermittment wind and solar energy been developed? Could the 80 billion dollars of government money spent on CAGW science over the last five years have been better spent in next generation energy development therefore rendering these climate discussion battles as irrelevant? Or is this nation and world gripped and paralysed by the new age enviro religion?
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dirtbag
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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Christ Ron...go back to your jackalope stuffery.
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raymond phule
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Oct 13, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Talking of evolution; where is the evolution and acceptance of energy generation science? Why aren't we deploying the latest generation of fission reactors, why does net gain nuclear fusion always seem to be thirty years out, why hasn't cost effective storage for intermittment wind and solar energy energy been developed? Could the 80 billion dollars of government money spent on CAGW science gone into next generation energy development therefore rendering these climate discussion battles as irrelevant? Or is this nation and world gripped and paralysed by the new age enviro religion?
People are researching these things. Maybe even at sandia...
Some things are not that easy to solve.
People like you and your friends here are of course also often against everything new. Those wind turbines are ugly, kills birds etc and a little more expensive compared to coal.
Burning fossils fuels are quite cheap and that is all that matters for a lot of people.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 13, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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so much angry stupidity...
it's yer manifest destiny American Dream in action.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 13, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Individually, what i have to say is of nearly zero worth Bruce, except in countering the pronouncements of those like you. If enough people would likewise engage then perhaps we could gain some coherent direction to proceed instead of wallowing in this chicken little the sky is falling whirlpool sucking advancement down the drain.
Ed, if this was settled science, as you are sometimes fond of saying, then wouldn't the eighty billion dollar expenditure of the last five years have been better directed towards solutions-a manhattan style crash course to viable replacement technology? A directed course was proven to work then, so why not now? Taxation and forcefully plunging the populace into decreased living standards won't reduce anthro CO2 it will just force people to survive using older, more polluting and CO2 producing technology- Look at orbital pictures of Hispaniola for visual proof of this.
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