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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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"Gay marriage is the single biggest issue facing America"
Republican Michele Bachman
yes indeed, same sex couple wanting to marry is WORSE THAN TERRORISM !!!!!!!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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and so it begins:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/12/us/12polygamy.html?_r=1&hp
as predicted...when you try to redefine marriage, then marriage no longer has a definition...it can mean anything to anybody
Bookworm,
You are right. That is the danger.
It doesn't matter what mankind thinks marriage means. Marriage wasn't instituted by man, but by GOD. Marriage is by GOD's design. Marriage is by GOD's rules. Read the Book of Genesis. One Man and one Women, and they are married until one of them passes away. They are made one in GOD's eyes. Marriage is for life of both the husband and the wife as one.
You can manipulate that as much as you please, but it will never change GOD's mind. GOD said "I'm the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow." GOD doesn't change.
When morality is lost and it flys out the window in society, expect GOD's retribution and his punishment. It has happened like this throughout history. Read your Bible. It doesn't matter if everyone in society is a OK with gay, homosexuality, bi-sexuality, polygamy, incest, bestiality, having a herom of women or what have you, or an anything goes mentality etc. etc. etc.
That is how it was in Noah's day before The Flood, and as well as in Sodom and Gomorrah's Day before being wiped out by asteroid impacts (more than likely).
Jesus Christ said just before he returns "the last days" would be like "as in the day's of Noah," meaning complete loss of morality and an anything goes mentality, and everything is A-OK as long as it feels good. In Noah's day, the World of Mankind and Fallen Angels was incredibly wicked.
No, it's not OK.
Christians are not to hate, show any violence, or try to legislate their faith or beliefs or try to force others to believe. We are to speak the truth, and show compassion, and help people. That is what Christ did. We can do no more. But we are supposed to speak up and tell the truth in love just as Christ, John the Baptist, and the Apostles and early Church did. Will the World listen? Some will. Most won't.
We can all do what we want, we have free-will. But the consequences of our choices we can not choose. And all choices have consequences, whether they be good or bad.
Don't try to tell me I don't care. I do. In the Army I had a friend who turned out to be gay. I didn't know. I'm kinda of naive. Well, at least then I was. However, one day he made a pass at me (don't hate me because of my good looks). I was very surprised. He was still my friend. I still cared about him as my friend. But that wasn't going to happen between the two of us. I'm heterosexual. I also didn't tell the commander that my friend was gay. That would have been the end of his service and it would have hurt my friend and ruined his career. I wouldn't do that to him. Personal sin is between the sinner and GOD. He knew I didn't agree with the life-style but I wasn't going to stop him. I did tell him that it was wrong. That is really all I can do.
We all make our choices.
The gay, polygamy, bi-sexual or whatever communities, rather than call it "Marriage" which it is not by GOD's definition, he doesn't acknowledge any of these unions, they are sinful. And remember, "Sin is a pleasure for a short season." Why not have "the State" call it "Gay, State Sanctioned Unions" and then they can receive all the legal and economic benefits that heterosexual Married couples have. They can have the same rights. Just don't call it marriage. It isn't, not according to GOD's plan. Don't try to change the definition of what marriage is. GOD is very clear about what marriage is and isn't in his word. Definitions are definitions.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Klimmer,
How exactly, specifically, does a couple of women who like each other's company and have been together from 30 years, getting a civil license to "marry", HARM YOU?
How are you harmed by same sex marriage?
Guess what?
Same sex couples are going to live together as they have for thousands of years.
How does them getting a piece of paper saying they are married make ANY difference?
And another thing, the Bible says NOTHING about same sex couples getting a piece of paper saying they are married, because their was NO marriage in biblical times.
Marriage, as a recognized contract, is only a couple hundred years old.
How exactly, specifically, does a couple of women who like each other's company and have been together from 30 years, getting a civil license to "marry", HARM YOU?
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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I heard satan wants gays to marry more than anyone, it's part of his master plan to beat god. Yep, satan is a gay lover. Whew, Klimmer, thank god we have your wisdom here. Gay marriage is scaaaaary. lol, religion is moronic. Use some effing logic people.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Norton,
You are wrong. Social contracts for marriages are thousands of years old. And Marriage is an institution of GOD. Don't try to change what GOD institutes. The first marriage and what marriage is in the Book of Genesis between Adam and Eve.
You aren't argueing with me. It isn't going to necessarily hurt me. It does hurt GOD. Sin does hurt GOD. Our rebellious nature does hurt GOD.
You're argueing with what GOD says. He makes the rules. If you are gonna fight him on these rules, well guess what? Ultimately, you're gonna lose.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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really klimmer, god is an unproven myth. show me otherwise. believe what you want but dont you dare try and legislate based on a myth.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Norton - "How exactly, specifically, does a couple of women who like each other's company and have been together from 30 years, getting a civil license to "marry", HARM YOU?"
 You are correct, this harms no one.
"How are you harmed by same sex marriage?"
Correct again. No one is harmed by two people doing what they do un the privacy of their own homes. Nobody hears me talking too much about fatthreads obsession with small farm animals.
Guess what?
Same sex couples are going to live together as they have for thousands of years.
Correct again. But it will be some time and some killing will have to be done before the religious right will get their collective heads out of their collective asses.
"How does them getting a piece of paper saying they are married make ANY difference?"
Correct. A piece of paper ultimately makes no difference. Except in the minds of the religious, where meaning comes from just about everything (get this, they derive meaning from everything except their very own actions. When it comes time to give meaning to their actions… they cannot decipher that one… but an all knowing, omni-present, omnipotent type… they know what everything means… like rain, flooding, earthquakes, fires…)
"And another thing, the Bible says NOTHING about same sex couples getting a piece of paper saying they are married, because their was NO marriage in biblical times.
Marriage, as a recognized contract, is only a couple hundred years old."
that's because its all made up! There is no god. Man made it all up. Made up the stories, and made up the rules. Made up marriage too. But good luck spinning that with a believer… they know about meanings.
killmer - "You are wrong. Social contracts for marriages are thousands of years old. And Marriage is an institution of GOD. Don't ry to change what GOD institutes. The first marriage and what marriage is in the Book of Genesis between Adam and Eve.
You aren't argueing with me. It isn't going to necessarily hurt me. It does hurt GOD. Sin does hurt GOD. Our rebellious nature does hurt GOD.
You're argueing with what GOD says. He makes the rules. If you are gonna fight him on these rules, well guess what? Ultimately, you're gonna lose."
I see that some say that the marriage was between Adam and Eve, though there was no ceremony.... Then there's that whole need for witnesses and then that ring thing.... did man make all that up later on after man made up the whole Adam and Eve story?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Christians are not to hate, show any violence, or try to legislate their faith or beliefs or try to force others to believe. We are to speak the truth, and show compassion, and help people. That is what Christ did. We can do no more. But we are supposed to speak up and tell the truth in love just as Christ, John the Baptist, and the Apostles and early Church did. Will the World listen? Some will. Most won't.
Who's trying to legislate? I'm not. Nor should Christians try to do so. Jesus Christ didn't. The law is already written down by GOD in "The Good Book" for all to read and in nearly every language spoken on Earth. The Law is thousands of years old. We don't need to legislate it and try to turn it into man's law. It's already on the books. GOD's Holy Book. and yes, he expects us to abide by it.
Choices have consequences.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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You have NOT answered my question, Klimmer, because you cannot.
NO ONE is "harmed" by two humans of the same sex getting a piece of paper saying they are married.
HOW ARE YOU PERSONALLY HARMED?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Reading comprehension . . . I did answer you.
You aren't argueing with me. It isn't going to necessarily hurt me. It does hurt GOD. Sin does hurt GOD. Our rebellious nature does hurt GOD.
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TFPU
Sport climber
Idaho
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Who's trying to legislate? I'm not.
Huh? You're not?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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I really like to see people's irrationality on display like this....
"You aren't argueing with me. It isn't going to necessarily hurt me. It does hurt GOD. Sin does hurt GOD. Our rebellious nature does hurt GOD."
so... these insignificant human beings can some how hurt the all knowing one?
How does that happen? And how did "he" not see that coming if it is so?
You may want to take some time on this one.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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What kind of an ASS would deny a loving couple a piece of paper saying they are married.
The same kind of ignorant ass that believes that the same "spirit" says in the Bible
to murder entire towns and rape women is the word of "god"
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nice going Norton, but the folks here who love to quote the Bible will say you are taking your quotes out of context. Yo...and they aren't? Those folks should remember that If you want to expound the virtues of the "good" book, you have to consider the whole book, warts and all.
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jahil
Social climber
London, Paris, WV & CA
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Looks like its about time to deprecate the old testament - it would make the Bible shorter and easier to consume. Here's for the liberally abbreviated good book.
steve
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I did NOT take those quotes out of "context". They are directly from the bible.
In fact, I even provide the exact chapter and verse from the bible.
The Bible MUST be taken literally, after all every word in it comes directly from god.
Even all the parts where god tells us to murder, rape, and enslave other humans.
It's all quite clear, you can look it up.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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Stupid ass bible thumpers...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I know Norton, I'm on your side, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of bible thumpers.
Regarding Jahill's post- maybe it would be easier to throw out the baby and the bathwater.
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TFPU
Sport climber
Idaho
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When the next major religion comes Christianity will just be the next mythology
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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There are other major religions but, funny thing, they all think they are the only one.
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