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guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Dec 28, 2015 - 12:57pm PT

.....maybe you do worship, do you?

Norton... your wrong again, as usual.

I do not worship any human being.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Dec 28, 2015 - 12:58pm PT

So they toss out Wendel.... what over the line thing did he do?

Gary

Social climber

Where in the hell is Major Kong?

Dec 28, 2015 - 01:02pm PT

Guy, he probably deactivated himself. I can't think of anything TGT did that was that far over the line. He did contribute good climbing content.

Norton

Social climber

Dec 28, 2015 - 01:06pm PT

Gary,

I do not believe it is even possible to deactivate oneself

ChrisMac or RJ Spurrier can deactivate a poster

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Dec 28, 2015 - 01:08pm PT

Gary ... he did contribute a bunch... I know the "pants down" deal caused some ruffled feathers.

Heck we are supposed to be climbers on this forum.

All real climbers I know have a "black humor" that will help you keep going when something terrible happens to a friend.

Gary

Social climber

Where in the hell is Major Kong?

Dec 28, 2015 - 01:13pm PT

I missed the "pants down" thread. As for gallows humor, all climbers need that, or we'd go nuts.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Dec 28, 2015 - 01:18pm PT

So both of you missed his thread, and then happi's followup thread that got nuked?

They should have been self-explanatory as to why they 'ruffled feathers'.

I doubt he intended to offend with his thread title (others strongly believe otherwise), but he didn't do anything (that I noticed) to react to the shitstorm, either. Natural consequences, perhaps?

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Dec 28, 2015 - 02:00pm PT

TGT deactivated involuntarily? I saw the start of the thread, and was saddened to hear of the tragedy, but chose to ignore what I considered to be rather insensitivity in the thread name and post. I haven't been on this site for a few days, so I apparently missed all the drama it seemingly engendered. Someone must be getting awfully touchy if a mere thread name is enough to get the axe. I have never seen a post by TGT that came close to crossing the line.

John

Edit: A bit of internet archeology unearthed what formed the controversy, and has changed my opinion somewhat. I, too, find the thread in quite poor taste and understand why people reacted so strongly to it. I remember when "Anchors Away" (on the Glacier Point Apron) got its name, and I wasn't amused, since I knew the decedents whose fatal mistake gave rise to the name.

Why not just nuke the thread? The venom it engendered wasn't worth its presence here. I read a lot about free speech on ST and elsewhere, but an internet forum isn't a public area subject to the First Amendment. ST has a right to have whatever it wants on here. It shouldn't be, but the ability of allegedly mature posters here to give and take offense, rather than act like adults, still surprises and disappoints me.

monolith

climber

state of being

Dec 28, 2015 - 02:10pm PT

You seem to be jumping to the conclusion you most desire, John.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Dec 28, 2015 - 02:15pm PT

Monolith, I'm reacting to what others said if by jumping to conlcusions, you mean concluding that the deactivation was involuntary. If your reaction comes from my post before I edited it, I can understand.

john

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Dec 28, 2015 - 02:46pm PT

"Why not just nuke the thread?"

Excellent question. Best answered by TGT.

No doubt a timely nuking would have curbed most of the drama. After the first few critical replies, TGT modified his OP trying to clarify that he didn't intend the thread as a memorial, and that 'reaper lurks when least expected', and that bad stuff can happen in the mountains. All true, but still the tone of the thread title, and the OP commentary would be pretty offensive to anyone who knew or cared for Kei.

When the shitstorm started gathering, it would have been quite easy to simply nuke it. But some people seem to prefer to let anything they say or do stand on it's own, no matter how off-base it might be...or sometimes even double down on it. Hopefully they aren't too surprised by the blowback.

Gary

Social climber

Where in the hell is Major Kong?

Dec 28, 2015 - 03:37pm PT

All true, but still the tone of the thread title, and the OP commentary would be pretty offensive to anyone who knew or cared for Kei.

Oh, it was about that. A dear friend died in the Sierra under what we think were similar circumstances. Yeah, nothing funny about that.

Always stayed tied in.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Dec 29, 2015 - 04:32am PT

zBrown

Ice climber

Dec 29, 2015 - 07:21am PT

Tamir can be seen on the surveillance tape playing with snowballs and pointing his gun at imaginary villains. Then Loehmann and his partner drive up. Because the gun appeared to be real, McGinty said, they were reasonably afraid for their lives — and legally justified in responding with deadly force.

Curious that no one else in the park, including the killer's partner was in sufficient fear for his/her life to shoot him.

Was it as bad as OJ? Likely not, but he and the other culprits are going to lose big time in the civil case.

dirtbag

climber

Dec 29, 2015 - 11:12am PT

Shocker: in 2008 Republican adds showing Obama darkened his skin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/29/obamas-skin-looks-a-little-different-in-these-gop-campaign-ads/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_obamaskin_wb_120pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Dog whistle politics, anyone?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2015 - 11:13am PT

Hermit- is that an honest sentiment? I mean, other than not using the Republican politically correct term "Islamist extremism," what do you think he isn't paying attention to?

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Dec 29, 2015 - 11:51am PT

Some exchanges with friends on Facebook last night jogged my memory of what Douglas Adams wrote in The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe:

"The major problem -- one of the major problems, for there are several -- one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it, or rather who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary, anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem,."

The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe, Chapter 20, first two paragraphs.

Seems to describe the leading candidates of both parties all too well.

John

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2015 - 11:57am PT

Clinton, Kasich and Bush all seem well suited to do the job. Don't confuse political propaganda with reasoned evaluation.

Gary

Social climber

Where in the hell is Major Kong?

Dec 29, 2015 - 12:04pm PT

John, that's why I propose to abolish elections and install a mandatory lottery system. Every citizen has to enter the lottery and everyone has to serve.

I think that's something Robert Heinlein came up with a long time ago. His proposition was that anyone who wanted to be president couldn't be trusted.

I'd make an exception for Sanders.