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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:21pm PT
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A new life begins for those who are alive in the tsunami ravage area
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:21pm PT
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one of the best things about ST is the ability to put something out there and rapidly receive feedback from someone more knowledgeable
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:25pm PT
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guys, you are just feeding klimmer's fantasies by taking him seriously enough to respond to.
Along the lines of building nuclear power plants on top of trap doors and tunnels to hell, I've been wondering why you can't dump many tons of concrete on these reactors. That would obviously prevent the radioactive materials from entering the atmosphere. These plants are already billion dollar write offs and will eventually be buried in concrete anyway.
Is it the risk of making a bomb out of the concrete tomb if the heat dissipated is still at too high a rate? Perhaps you could mix something into the concrete that would increase its thermal conductivity to help drain energy away. rrrADAM do you know about this? Anybody know how to to that kind of calculation?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:25pm PT
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There was a time that I was pro nuclear. Prior to 9-11-2001 I took a class on The Physics of Energy (Physics 301 SDSU), and at the time I was a proponent of fission nuclear energy.
The Genie is out of the bottle now. It is too dangerous (ie 3 Mile Island, Cherynoble, and now Fucu in Japan), and the waste is an unbelievable problem and nightmare. All that and the possibility of terrorism. I could go on and on. I'm not a proponent of nuclear any more, except for off-world space based applications of very safe designs. Apparently the MSL going to Mars is going to be nuclear powered, not sure of the process or design. I should look it up.
However, I'm a realist too. We will not be able to get rid of all the nuclear waste and clean up the Earth without the technology of the Integral Fast Reactor (IFR), and the newer generations of this design that have been developed.
IFR:
Passive fail-safe safety based on the laws of physics (Homer Simpson could run it)
It takes spent fuel rods stored all around the world and uses them again for energy. Don't have to mine more Uranium.
The nuclear waste as a final by-product has the half-life of 300 years. That is much better than 4.5 billion.
Many advantages to this design. Standardize the design and make them all the same. The safest possible design.
Place them on high security Military bases such as Nellis AFB in Nevada. It could be Area 52 right next to Area 51 (lol).
Safely and securely transport spent fuel rodes from around the US first, and then the world, and extract all the useable energy getting to the final waste with a much safer half-life of 300 years. Store safely in the best possible location, where ever that might be, the site in Nevada, Nellis AFB or somewhere else???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_Fast_Reactor
http://www.skirsch.com/politics/globalwarming/ifr.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html
In a timely fashion de-commision all other Nuclear Fission power plants that are not an IFR design, and clean them up. Plenty of jobs to do.
Work like mad to bring on-line all sources of clean renewable energy resources, primarily Solar. Use rooftops not wilderness.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:32pm PT
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wow riley,
they even managed without the "big boys". maybe it was all your caliming that they were incomeptent idiots and that "you'd been there."
arrogant ass.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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klk, actually, Newton didn't believe in the Bible as a source of quantitative prophecy, he thought it was a book of parables... actually...
this has been gone over before when Klimmer brought it up in another thread, he "forgot" that his attribution was shown to be factually incorrect... which he tends to do...
here is what I wrote:
this was not an estimate of when it would happen, it was a lower limit... Newton didn't believe in interpreting the Bible that way, which is why he did the calculation, to show that the people in his time were making idiotic statements... if he were around today, he'd be similarly moved to show that extracting those exact dates from the Bible are absurd...
"This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."- I. Newton
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:37pm PT
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Sir Isaac Newton to the death for even imagining the end of the world would occur by 2060 AD along with Christ's return
a perfect example of why you incur wrath, you have misread and misrepresented Newton's statements to make your own points. You are an unreliable scholar, Klimmer...
No Ed I'm not. Have you read the book he wrote regarding these topics? Have you watched the very detailed and scholarly DVD NOVA: Newton's Dark Secrets? I can make it easy for you and give you a link to watch it on-line:
NOVA: Newton's Dark Secrets
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D3019297788008155038&sa=U&ei=NuiDTYLbKZGWsgPivOnlAQ&ved=0CCMQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNGJFtP2BjVXLN-2FmOq_HYaUlYJKQ
I haven't misrepresented anything regarding Newton.
The greatest amount of his studies and notes found were those regarding the Bible and searching for Bible Code, his thoughts on theology, and they far outnumber his science studies. He also had 30 bibles.
"This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."- I. Newton
Yes, he proved that it wasn't any time soon, at least in his day. He realized like most good Theologians and those who study the end time and who truly study the word of GOD, that certain events must take place first. The end can not come at any time, not until key events happen and then happen in a very prescribed sequence according to the Good Book. The sacred prophecies have to be fulfilled. He worked out these events according to the word of GOD, and his best estimation for them happening. Yes, it was an estimation, but to show that it couldn't be any time soon, in relation to his day.
Oh, yea, he was not a trinitarian. He believed Jesus was not equal to GOD, but his Son. How could the Son and the Father be one? It is a mystery of the ages. I give him a break on that.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:44pm PT
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man, i have been told now. time to find the bomb shelter or a cave so i can tremble in safety...
edit:
you ever stop to go read what you write? think about how that comes across? here is a hint, go try it.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
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Ed, yeah, I understand that you're wary of the way that folks who can't think historically go batshit crazy once they learn that Newton was involved in stuff from eschatology to alchemy. Folks generally don't understand that science emerged historically or even that the word itself doesn't get used widely until the 19th century.
But I don't see that it does any good to keep on pretending that Newton was a Deist. Nor does it matter, except for the sort of native history-of-science stories you'd tell to a 6th grader. Only a 6th grader would see Newton's premillennarianism as a warrant for mixing apocalyptic and lab science today.
Snobvelen's article is the best one I know, although I just don't care to get involved in the debates over whether/when Newton was really a Unitarian or simply anti-Trinitarian or whatever.
http://www.isaac-newton.org/pdf/Snobelen%20Newton%202060%20CJH%202003%20hi%20res.pdf
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 18, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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I gotta go but you are a internet bully and.a.coward....any time pussy....any f*#king time...
Who cares what you think coward. You don't know me or what I do.....just shut up
Wow, way to be diplomatic. Lighten up, Riley.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Mar 18, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
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Klimmer
A while ago I gave you some information so I will repeat it.
First go to Wikipedia type in “Analysis of Competing Hypotheses (ACH)” read it.
Now download the software:
http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ach/ach.html it is free.
Hit the download button
It is a process for making a well-reasoned, analytical judgment, questions your assumptions and gain a better understanding of an issue, alternative perspectives, prods you to look for additional evidence, helps you identify and question assumptions, and stimulates new ideas about the issue at hand.
It is hard but look at the tutorial and will give added links for you to help learn this process. There is an upgrade or newer version.
There is nothing wrong thinking "outside the box" this will help. Really what can you lose. It will fry your brain, read it over again and again, but if you take the time and I mean time you will gain from this tool.
*note: this does not necessary make it correct since there are flaws in the process but they will tell you this. It is only a tool.
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BLD
climber
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Mar 18, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Will someone dial 9 WAAAA WAAAA
I think we need a Wambulance
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Mar 18, 2011 - 08:37pm PT
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Mike
My naïve understanding of the situation in Japan is that they need to cool the spent fuel pool since it lost the water normally used for that purpose. Using an insulating concrete or increase its thermal conductivity would make things worse by prohibiting the flow of heat leading to even higher temperatures in the spent fuel.
They are thinking about using sand and other materials to cover the rods and then saturate this fill with water I assume. Getting the material is another issue so it would require to be done by robotic machinery, getting a pump head into the containment area and filling it with water slurry or flowable fill for this matrix. An open cell insulated could work, they have a volcano going off and that would mean there would be pumice available to use in this process. Pumice is very porous and the voids would help in this process. silica sand would help since it can take the temperature.
My two cents if it is worth anything
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 18, 2011 - 09:02pm PT
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I gotta go but you are a internet bully and.a.coward....any time pussy....any f*#king time...
Who cares what you think coward. You don't know me or what I do.....just shut up
dude,
i am simply calling you out for posting such arrogant BS earlier on this thread. seriously, go read what you wrote. you think cuz you have given enemas to patients under pressure that you can fix a nuclear incident?
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BLD
climber
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Mar 18, 2011 - 10:23pm PT
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So, they rescued a young man today that was trapped under the rubble for 8 days.
He is now at a hospital and to weak to talk.
That's gotta give some hope to those looking for their lost loved ones.
B
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 18, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 18, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
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thanks klk great article!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 18, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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So, they rescued a young man today that was trapped under the rubble for 8 days.
He is now at a hospital and to weak to talk.
That's gotta give some hope to those looking for their lost loved ones.
B
hoping for that dudes recovery.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 18, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
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The very lowest level a thread can go is where people start sniping at each other personally, and those recriminations take up pages. Let it go. Of course we don't agree on everything.
On another note
we risk coal fired power plant emissions every day and not too many people bitching about that.
THere are areas around Chernobyl that can't be repopulation for 20,000 years. Coal can do nothing like that. Japan is a small country and oceanside land is even more important. 20,000 years is a long time to give up substantial areas.
The magnitude of the screwedness possible by a big accident, the cost and length of time we have to manage the waste, and more point to nuclear not being worth it. How'd you like to have a mortgage on your house that your Great, great, great, great...Great Great grandkids would still have to make payments on or risk disease or worse?
Peace
Karl
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