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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Probability is not certainty.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Probability is not certainty.
No, but verifiability is.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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I can’t do anything about the way the meanings or definitions of some words have evolved, nor the sloppy way some words are defined.
The etymology of “to prove” is to test something. To verify means to prove the truth of something. What is truth? The only thing I consider 100% true is that “something is.” Anything other than that has a probability of 99.999_ or less.
So for me, verifiability means some evidence or reproducibility that may indicate greater probability.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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"Organized religion and unrestrained capitalism are the greatest impediments to achieving an egalitarian society."
Wrong. Sexism is, you lab-coated sausage. Alex, I'll go with the tribal instincts that we have inherited through our genes. We're altruistic, us humans, but it fades out exponentially past our immediate family.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Wrong. Sexism is, you lab-coated sausage.
No, you tweedy myopic omelet. You get a failing mark on that one. Organized religion is where hierarchy and patriarchy and sexism began. Hunter-gatherer groups, without religion, are egalitarian with equality among the sexes.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Eeyonkee, that's funny, I totally misread your last sentence.
I read it as...
We're altruistic, us humans, but it fades out exponentially fast as our sausage grows.
Freudian!
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Lennox, welcome to the thread. You're a breath of fresh air.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Thanks. But I may need to take a breather; my girlfriend is starting to think I have another girlfriend.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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I can’t do anything about the way the meanings or definitions of some words have evolved, nor the sloppy way some words are defined.
The etymology of “to prove” is to test something. To verify means to prove the truth of something. What is truth? The only thing I consider 100% true is that “something is.” Anything other than that has a probability of 99.999_ or less.
So for me, verifiability means some evidence or reproducibility that may indicate greater probability.
Tap dance.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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That's fine, probably a good idea, I totally get it.
Stop in as your will, both free and constrained, permits!
:)
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WBraun
climber
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verifiability means some evidence or reproducibility that may indicate greater probability.
These clueless atheists here never do any tests.
They just argue with each other and copy paste links to so-called also clueless experts, so st0000pid .....
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Tap dance
No, that was my Moonwalk—I save my tap dance for my intellectually challenging interlocutors.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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We’re atheists because, try as we might, we simply can’t find any clues indicating a diety.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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oh, you just have not been sufficiently vague enough to do the work......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Paul, good to hear.
Can I hit you with one more? I wish we had the time so I could share with you this girl's backstory. But it's too much for here. Long story short, she tweeted out of Iraq more than two years ago - maybe three - as an engineering-educated, self-identified atheist. Somehow the boldness of her tweet viraled, many started following her on Twitter, incl myself. Right away I thought: this girl's putting herself in extreme danger. And then poof! just like that her Twitter acct stopped cold. Thousands of us wondered what happened. A couple months ago, she turns up safe in America! Hallelujah!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSfSPW-mbrQ
Well worth the time watching, imo. I love the commentary under this piece. Nine out of ten anyways. It instills hope!
PS
and the cherry on top - she's back to tweeting again!
https://twitter.com/LubnaAhmed92
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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What wonkie nerds get excited about -
I now have curated 10,087 PubMed citations in my citation program that I use for practice, writing and teaching! Woohoo!
I love science - it’s so cool!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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A couple months ago, she turns up safe in America! Hallelujah!!
Your soooooo queer;)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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curated 10,087 PubMed citations
What are "curated 10,087 PubMed citations"? What's a "citation program"?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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It's a database collection of Index Medicus listed articles that pertain to my areas of interest and work and the program allows internet searchs within the program, can attach PDFs of the whole article to go with the abstract, allows me to run searches on the saved articles, and automatically formats the citations for referencing in my writing. It saves a lot of time and allows contextualized searches that make connections between at the surface unrelated topics.
It makes for regular ah-hah! moments.
Used for the notes, for instance, that go with the seminar I'm teaching around the country currently on limbic kindling - central sensitization (the pathophysicology underlying chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, non-responsive depression, multiple chemical sensitivity, PTSD, post-concussion syndrome, and a bunch of other stuff). The notes ended up being 116 pages and 437 PubMed citations. So for stuff like that the program is really helpful.
These are commonly used by scientists, researchers, academics to keep all the research straight - EndNote and Papers are common. There are a lot of platforms out there.
HFCS, nice posts on the free speech issue.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Thanks for the reply, Mark. I guess I'm still confused some over the subject but no doubt it is because I have no experience with it.
"Used for the notes, for instance, that go with the seminar I'm teaching around the country currently on limbic kindling - central sensitization (the pathophysicology underlying chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, non-responsive depression, multiple chemical sensitivity, PTSD, post-concussion syndrome..."
So you wouldn't say there could be a lot of extrapolation, probabilistic reasoning and speculation, agenda-pushing, ideology etc propelled by economic and business interests associated with these subjects and this teaching? You wouldn't say there's a lot of gray region associated with these things and that they could be hard to parse, eg, in regards to good science vs bad? interpretation? "insertion of meaning," potential for science getting "gamed,"etc.? To be straight, all the gray that I sense concerning the items** and human activity you mentioned seems rather dizzying to me.
Anyways, good that it is useful to you.
(**I do have some graduate background, full courses, in bio chem, mol bio, pharm and neuro.)
Glad to hear you're a TNG fan, too, in addition to a Carl Sagan fan.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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HFCS, My agenda is to get sh#t done for people. It jazzes me to see people heal. My other agenda is that I love the science and the art of medicine - allopathic, chiropractic, naturopathic, and osteopathic. The third agenda is that I like making a decent living for giving service.
I like to measure the sh#t I get done with either gold standard conventional medicine metrics or from those used in research. It's also important to measure shits so you're clear when you're not getting sh#t done and you can see about solving it.
As for making sh#t up - I hate that. And, especially when I find myself doing it. I make a point of not beieving everything I think. The last thing I want to catch myself doing is making sh#t up, using it, and spouting it.
Soshin
Mushin
Zanshin
Because I got good at this, I like to share it with other docs by teaching and writing. It's the juice when docs tell what a difference what they've learned has made for their patients lives.
Yeah, I make money being a doc and teaching. Guess I'm not pure enough yet - and, my wife likes to eat.
What's interesting to me over the years is that the research doesn't necessarily translate to clinical results and vice versa. The research around limbic kindling and central sensitization and the subgroups associated with the pathophysiology are getting crystal clear. Aspects around the edges are still fuzzy, but that's part of the fun figuring that stuff out.
A seminal paper that holds up well for central sensitization was written by Muhammad Yunus, MD.
Yunus, M.B., 2007, Fibromyalgia and overlapping disorders: the unifying concept of central sensitivity
syndromes, Seminars in arthritis and rheumatism, 36(6), pp. 339-56.
I have the full paper if you're interested.
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