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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
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It"s that shrapnel acting up again.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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But... the chuffer deeply wants to believe the iris hypothesis... and Lindzen is from MIT... so his HYPOTHESIS must still be valid and everyone else must be wrong. You can't simply test a hypothesis and discard it when it is proven to be wrong... not when the chuffer agrees with it.
Someone thought of it and the chuffer wants to believe it, therefore it must true, despite the evidence. If someone thought of it and the chuffer doesn't want to believe it, it must be part of a vast conspiracy, despite good agreement with the evidence.
Why is this so hard for anyone but the chuff to understand?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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you don't know what soylent green is, THE CHIEF??
lulz! I mean HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!*(@&(*@!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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well sh#t, yer arguments that we have no effect are good enuf for me! Cut down all the trees! Fish the oceans dry! Kill everything that can be processed into bologna! Its ok- it,ll grow back- god put it here for our consumption- it,ll grow back.
And remember folks, arsenic's as natural as pot, but nobody's smokin that! (though some people should)
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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Nicholas Drapela?
he was not a tenured professor (ie, he had no job security). His continued employment was at the whim of the university.
He'd been teaching there ten years. Sounds like he never published any research in that ten years. To teach as a professor for ten years and not be offered a tenure position indicates long-standing issues.
If a professor is taken on as a non-tenure-track position, it's usually because there is some doubt about their potential. They're sort of on probation. If they want to stay, they really need to bust a gut to publish research papers. To both fail to publish research AND upset one's colleagues with controversial statements is not too smart.
A friend here in Boulder taught astronomy at CU for many years, was rated VERY highly by the students and staff. An excellent teacher, inspiring, fun, about the best lecturer in the department. He'd written and contributed to some great books aimed at the public and at undergraduate students. A real credit to the department. He was let go. There was a big fight over this but the administration got their way. They always do. In the long run he got a new job, elsewhere, where he's happier, now, anyway.
It's too bad that some of the best and most inspiring science teachers are let go. Teaching is a different skill-set to research. Communicating with other scientists is very different from communicating with non-scientists. Public outreach is a real weakness of the scientific community.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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Drapela says, "Global Warming doctrine is no longer just a scientific theory; it is a populist social and political tool."
[Drapela's] slideshow suggests global warming is part of a "new world order" and an attempt to establish "global governance," and the only reason people don't link it to solar flares is because they can't make money off of it.
hmmm, in a chemistry class? Gee, I wonder why anyone would have an issue with this.
My guess is you have absolutely no experience in higher education, either as a student or as an instructor. When I teach hydrology or math I always make it a point to discuss how organized religion is part of a huge global conspiracy designed to concentrate power in the hands of white supremacists. Why else would anyone take a hydrology or math class?
Just "hid the road".
ah, yes, I'm sure the prepared statement he was read just said "hid the road."
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
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Oh, hey, look everyone... the chuff googled Soylent Green! And appears to have actually read AND COMPREHENDED a couple sentences. We are all so proud. Keep up the good work.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
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In other words.... you have no idea why he was fired.
In other words... your answer to my post was not relevant to the point I made.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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What is ad hom about guessing you have no experience in higher education?
People pay for instruction in a particular subject, and OSU ain't cheap. Nobody who pays for a chemistry class should accept some nutjob's rant about global conspiracies as a substitute. Besides, I know faculty who have taught at institutions for longer than 10 years who were let go for no apparent reason. It happens all the time... something you and all the bloggers you rely on are clearly unaware of.
I would really like to know what institution your are teaching at that allows this type of bullshet racists mentality on their faculty.
hahahaa... what a dipshit!
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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Sure it was. You responded to my question with a bunch of conjecture. I commented on it.
Read the thread before writing more posts. I didn't respond to any of your posts (unless you are the chief) before you made a comment on a post where I even wrote tenure.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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Nah, the chuff got it spot on... Soylent Green is "GEOENGINEERED COLORED LIQUID PLASTIC!" Everyone knows that... just like everyone knows all this science and math stuff is part of a vast conspiracy, unless the chuff agrees with the conclusions, in which case the scientists and institutions who espouse those ideas are beyond criticism.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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Because you seem unaware of the fact that when you sign up for a class the instructor is expected to teach students the subject... not go off on wild global conspiracy theories... especially in a CHEMISTRY class.
You also seem unaware of the fact that most instructors do not have tenure and can be let go at any time for any reason, and many of them are.
You also seem unaware that there was more to the prepared statement read to Drapela than "hid the road."
You also seem unaware of just about everything else. (that one is an insult because persistent ignorance deserves insult)
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
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In other words.... you have no idea why he was fired.
I don't "know" why he was fired. But I'd bet it was mostly because he failed to publish enough research (nothing since 2000!) and failed to bring in money: research grants from outside.
Google search turns up this:
Enantiospecific Synthesis of (+)-Byssochlamic Acid, a Nonadride from the Ascomycete Byssochlamys fulva�, J.D. White, J. Kim, N. Drapela J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2000, 122, 8665.
That's it. Nothing in the 12 years since. What the hell's he been up to?
That's a pretty lousy academic record. Unfortunately, excellence at teaching is not very important for advancing an academic career.
He'd probably have been let go anyway, but his controversial pronouncements about global warming (did he really write that stuff, Mechrist?) may have hastened his exit.
Nothing "unusual" about his firing. The university does not have to give any reason. On the advice of lawyers, the University will therefore say nothing. It reflects badly on the university itself if a mediocre researcher has been kept around way past his best by date and they will not want to admit to this.
Sounds like he's a highly rated teacher so he'll be okay, get good references, find a nice job, prolly more in teaching than academia.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 10, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
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LOL. I responded to you because you quoted my previous post. I incorrectly thought you were crunch, who I had responded to.
You should take your own advice.
You made a mistake but I should take my own advice and read the thread before posting? I really can't follow that logic...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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What was in the statement?
the only claim regarding the content of the statement was yours:
just "hid the road."
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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Rick Poedke, I have to admit that I have been sloppy in some of my posts. The discussion was about Lindzen, a full professor with tenure, and in the rest om my posts I implicitly assumed that we talked about professors with tenure.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 10, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
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Yep, sure does, particularly when university budgets get cut.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 10, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
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More like cultural geographers like The Chief.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Oct 10, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
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WOW!
So regardless the quality and record of their instruction, a professor can and will get shetcanned for the above reason???
Niiiiiiiice.
No, no no.
1. A tenured professor can do whatever they want. To write whatever they want. They cannot be fired, except in the gravest of circumstances, like criminal behavior, or for gross academic misconduct--like copying others' work and pretending it's their own, or flagrantly falsifying results. Proving academic misconduct is an expensive, years-long battle which hurts everyone involved (see Churchill, Ward).
Tenure is guaranteed job for life with guaranteed pay. The reason is to protect academic freedom, the freedom to write and research in any direction. Some research projects can take a decade or more for results to appear. Some are politically unpopular. Tenure protects the research from political interference.
2. A professor WITHOUT tenure (like Drapela) has no such security. He is hired for fixed length of time (one year, several years). This contract may be extended. Or not. Drapela is right to be upset, wrong to be surprised. Academia, if you don't have tenure, can be a brutal, very competitive world with NO job security.
Some positions are "tenure track" ie after a certain fixed period (say 7 years) they will be given tenure. Even professors in tenure track positions, if the person has not demonstrated a sufficiently high standard of work, will be let go.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 10, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
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You should know that, at least in California, fully 60% of "professors" (they're really instructors unless designated otherwise) are NOT tenured. They, for the most part, receive no medical benefits or vacation time or any other benefits and can be fired for any reason at any time.
These instructors are designated part-time temporary employees even though they may have been doing they're jobs for thirty years.
Higher education makes Wal-mart look like a bunch of pikers.
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