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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Nov 29, 2017 - 03:15pm PT
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HFCS,
What you’re missing is some level of happiness or contentment among the populations so that the wealth numbers have some meaning (or not).
Gosh, wealth is not IMO the end-all be-all.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nov 30, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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Good reminders, Malemute.
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Does anyone know of a religion X wherein religious minorities in X-majority countries magically become extinct over time but where X is pathologically obsessed with its "victim status" in X-minority countries? Asking for a friend.
i: Gad Saad
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https://imgur.com/lfr1iI8
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:57pm PT
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Malemute: The biggest achievements in the fight against death over the last century was the result of curing childhood illnesses.
You need to rephrase this. It’s ignorant or stupid. There is no achievement in fighting death. Death always wins. (Werner, stay out of this.)
I think the point you’re trying to make is about longevity, and relative happiness. (See HFCS’s cartoon.)
Well now that we’re living longer, I guess we are all so much happier for it. Look how many happy people there are here on ST!
You’ve quit climbing, right? It’s far safer, huh?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Pop Quiz:
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."
Source?
HINT: In 1992, Uri Geller [the spoon bender, lol] sued Stenger and Prometheus Books for $4 million, claiming defamation for questioning his "psychic powers." The suit was dismissed and Geller was ordered to pay court costs. [lol]
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Resisting postmodernism...
"The issue was that literary study had become so overly politicized that people were losing sight of why literature is valuable."
http://quillette.com/2017/12/03/resisting-postmodern-ascendancy-interview-ernest-suarez/
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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I can understand that being groundless is disturbing: it encourages one to grasp at rules, principles, and certainties as the ground of being.
I’d suggest that the Suarez interview exposes many assumptions, beliefs, and value judgements that Professor Suarez holds dear. Suarez argues that the basis of literature studies should be “close readings.” A close reading of Suarez’s statements might lead to conversations about his assumed values and beliefs. It is THAT which one could have substantive conversations about—not about what literature is or is not. Postmodernism challenges all assumptions of authority. It is that which people seem to be uncomfortable about . . . *not* having certainties. It shares those very questions with Buddhism and other nondual traditions.
Look, one can argue that art should be uncovering invisible environments, amending and updating mythic narratives, rendering Being manifest, rather than rendering pretty or comfortable pictures. Postmodernism might strike one as ugly, but a Dionysian view of life adds to the richness of life than just the Appollian view.
In any situation where uncertainty and / or ambiguity looms increasingly large, people head for safety and simplicity. (Look at financial markets, for example.) New York publishing and Hollywood seem to be doing just that . . . and it's as dull as hell, isn't it?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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The Case for Not Being Born
via David Benatar
Fructose, thank you for suggesting this book, I downloaded it yesterday on my Kindle
and have done a quick read, brilliantly written and reasoned, agree 100% with the core
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Malemute: If praying worked, the effects would be objectively observed.
Only if praying were oriented to changing the universe, externally.
I'll suggest to you that if you change your mind, how you see your world will change, and that means that your world will change.
I think your view of the initial purpose of religion is biased. But, it's a question of mind, isn't it?
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WBraun
climber
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I think your view of the initial purpose of religion is biased. But, it's a question of mind, isn't it?
No .... Malemute's heart is cold.
That's why his mind is closed and turned into dead stone .....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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No .... heart is cold. -Werner Braun
Hindu abuse.
In Hinduism violence (himsa) not only means injuring or hurting others through force but also causing disturbances within oneself or others through intentional mental actions. Use of thoughts, desires and words [and posts?] to hurt or harm others also comes under the perview of the definition. Willful inaction [failure to educate oneself?] that results in hurting others or causing them pain and suffering is also considered violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
Speaks volumes, I think.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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There is no great and no small
To the soul that maketh all:
And where it cometh,all things are
And it cometh everywhere.
I am owner of the sphere
Of the seven stars and the solar year
Of Caesar's hand, and Plato's brain,
Of Lord Christ's heart, and Shakespeare's strain.
RWE
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Without a definition of what is meant by the term "god" the above makes little sense other than as a straw man set up to easily knock down.
If you define god simply as a final term, that is in the broadest sense, you can't make the statement god doesn't exist because you have no way of knowing such a thing.
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WBraun
climber
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DMT -- "He just cuts and pastes, Paul. Don't debate a shill."
Yep, and I made my post earlier knowing he would lose it and go on a berzerk bender and serial post like crazy.
The guy is so envious and has a cold dead heart ......
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Nice compilation of relevant links, Malemute!
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Largo says that Zen Buddhism is not a religion. What do you experts say? If over a period of time masters guide your meditative efforts toward a specific result, is this similar to a priest guiding one to God?
Just curious.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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I'm just a punter. Seems obvious to me that it is a religion. It certainly is not science. Science is what Thomas Dolby was singing about.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Don't debate a shill. -dingus
Utter bs. I'm rather sure he believes what he posts as his own.
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The guy is so envious and has a cold dead heart ...... -Werner Braun
Hindu?
Malemute, eeyonkee, remember this one...
A real theist would never do such a thing.... Thus everyone of these so called shooters are in true sense atheists, masquerading as theists ...... -Werner Braun
50 murdered by Islamic terrorist
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2827631&msg=2828671#msg2828671
Shameful. You get to a point where you're sick and tired of it.
The issue going forward is too important to stand on the sidelines.
This is why we non-theists do it. It's why we stand up and speak out. It's the 21st century not the 16th.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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You know, just after posting, I had a different thought. There is a higher category that includes both religion and Zen Buddhism, which is still not science. Communism would also fall under this category IMO.
Edit: I mean communism as envisioned by Marx; as a natural "force" related to the human condition.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dingus, if you want to call out posers or shills or shitposters, best to start with Werner Braun, the site hypocrite insofar as he is Hindu at least.
Really he has no business on this thread if the aim is meaningful discussion. He should stick to car repair maintenance. He's out of his league here.
You do yourself no favors for your reticence when it comes to this hypocrite and his vulgarities.
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Hindu abuse.
In Hinduism violence (himsa) not only means injuring or hurting others through force but also causing disturbances within oneself or others through intentional mental actions. Use of thoughts, desires and words [posts?] to hurt or harm others also comes under the perview of the definition. Willful inaction [failure to educate oneself?] that results in hurting others or causing them pain and suffering is also considered violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
Nice compilation... Malemute!
That's right.
If there's more to be shameful of... how about the "conspiracy of silence" among the Taco public that Werner Braun could post such a statement as above and receive no negative feedback from the Taco.
It's nothing short of extreme prejudice against the "atheist" and it's time this kind of bs were called out for what it is.
"Extreme prejudice" and it needs to be eliminated.
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