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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 23, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
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That's what happens when you have a good idea and everybody else is opposed to it, but you compromise.
I'm honestly curious what you mean by this statement.
1) Obumblecare was passed by a Democrat majority; not a single Repub voted for it. So, there was no cross-aisle "compromise."
2) Who can the "everyone else" be that were "opposed to it"? See point (1) above.
3) The Repubs caught a lot of hell for the government shutdown; yet the irony is that the "compromise" they ultimate sought, namely to extend deadlines and put off the mandates for a year, are now the exact "compromises" that many Democrats are calling for, despite the fact that they vehemently opposed these "compromises" during the shutdown, and despite the fact that the Obumblator in Chief flatly stated that he would not "compromise" in the slightest, and despite the fact that he himself is now (by fiat) enacting these "compromises" in the face of public (rather than Republican) pressure.
Far be it from me to defend the Rebumblicans! I'm just baffled about what your statement can even mean. There have been no "compromises" throughout this process over a three year period, and I cannot imagine who the "everybody else" can be. The Obumblator and his Dem cronies got EXACTLY what they wanted because they constituted the MAJORITY of the government.
Notice I'm not even debating the claim that this was "good idea."
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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It's true.
What we see now is The Democrat Way. Pure and un-filtered.
Do you think The Republican Way would be any better?
Perhaps this isn't a job for The Government.
Did you ever consider that? That not every perceived problem has a political solution?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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Hi jghedge!
Welcome back.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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Just because other countries can do it doesn't mean it can be done here.
The Democrats are your best hope for government-managed healthcare, and when left to their own devices, they gave us Obamacare.
Do you think the Republicans could do better? Or maybe a mix of the two? I certainly don't.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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Moosedrool writes:
"Seriously, look into the other countries' health care programs."
Mr Kos writes:
"If by "this" you mean healthcare, it's a job that government does well in most of the developed world."
Just because something can be done in other countries, it doesn't mean we can do it here. Especially if the government is involved.
We used to be the country that could do things other countries couldn't. Like man-on-the-moon, fight the Nazis and Imperial Japanese simultaneously ( and win ), etc.
But not anymore. We can't even collect our own trash on the Space Station without Russia doing most of the work.
The Democrats, when given the chance to pass whatever they wanted, gave us Obamacare. Do you think the Republicans would do better?
That's all we got: Democrats and Republicans - as far as the government goes. Healthcare, apparently, is something we don't want either of them messing with.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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Thank you for the explanation, moosedrool. I think I understand your point now. Appreciated!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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Obamacare passed both houses with all democrat votes. Not one Republican had to be compromised with to pass it.
The Democrats could have enacted anything, and they gave us Obamacare!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
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Mr Kos writes:
"Gee Chaz, that's awfully defeatist."
Defeatist, my ass!
Looking to the government to fix your world seems to be more of a defeatist move to me. The government is the always the support of last resort. Think Food Stamps, Welfare, Housing Projects, Public Defender, Public Toilet, etc.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
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Moosedrool writes:
"I am bit foggy on the history, but wasn't it a Democrat that got us to the moon?"
You mean Nixon?
Nixon was President during all of our moon landings.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Dec 24, 2013 - 12:47am PT
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Debating wingnut fools is like shooting fish in a barrel
Hedgy promoting the use of firearms....WTF dood
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 25, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Can you name one other state that bans burning a Yule Log on Christmas?
Are you sure you're a doctor?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 25, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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Here you go, F. Read up.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?id=8358883
"First-time violators will receive a $100 fine or have the option of reading about and then being tested on the health hazards of wood smoke. Second-time offenders will now receive a $500 ticket, up from $400 last year."
The state where you can't burn a goddamn Yule Log on Christmas. California.
Are sure you're a doctor?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 25, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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Chaz never claimed to be a geography major even though he has that bitchin kite...
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 29, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
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Personally, I find bold type, caps, exclamation points and citations from your Facebook page extremely compelling. You could use them to great effect on the Climate whacko page.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 29, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Sketch...Maybe that low-income family of four should have considered not having 4 kids..? Then they wouldn't be getting gouged by the insurance companies...?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 29, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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The Republicans had a plan...? Yuk , yuk...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 29, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 29, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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Baba...that was excellent...too bad moronic americans won't see that...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 2, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
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Oregon has the web site up. I browsed it and had the .gov elite not allowed an extension of a year for our old plan, our costs would have gone from $351.00 a month to $666.00 a month with worse coverage. So not only are we already paying more for health care than many other countries per Karl Babas link, but the price you already have to pay is now going even further up due to government mandate. Hmmm.
Not looking forward to next year.
karl, thanks for the link.
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