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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:33am PT
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Oh, you're from San Francisco... Idiot capital of the U.S. That figures...
I'm sorry, on second observation, that was rude of me.
San Francisco stands as a shining example of what raging Socialist Liberalism can achieve. All from one and none for all.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 16, 2012 - 03:05am PT
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Jody
Karl, there are over 300 million guns in private ownership this country and just about every owner has been pissed at one time or another. By your logic, there would be WAY MORE shootings than there are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
....The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6] In 2009, according to the UNODC, 60% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[7].....
...The incidence of homicides committed with a firearm in the US is much greater than most other advanced countries. In the United States in 2009 United Nations statistics record 3.0 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United Kingdom, with very restrictive firearm laws (handguns are totally prohibited, for example) was 0.07, about 40 times lower, and for Germany 0.2.[43]
For another comparison, Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, with somewhere between 1.2 to 3 million guns in the private residences of its approximately 8 million citizens. In 2006 there were 34 recorded murders or attempted murders with a gun, representing a firearm homicide rate of 1 per 250,000....
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Aug 16, 2012 - 03:17am PT
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12,632 homicides out of 300,000,000 people using a gun.
Well, that says it all. Driving a car, eating a cheeseburger or catching the flu is way more dangerous than any threat guns pose to the average American. Yay, we're all safe again!!!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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Sparks Nevada Theater shooting- Man shoots self in the Ass
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-nevada-man-shoots-himself-movie-20120815,0,954006.story
Well, Sparks lived up to its old gun-slinging ways this week, but this time with a dash of Barney Fife panache straight out of Mayberry: a movie-goer accidentally shot himself in the buttocks the other night during a showing of the movie"The Bourne Legacy."
Police say a 56-year-old man, permitted to legally carry a concealed weapon, shifted in his seat and a handgun dropped from his pocket. The weapon hit the floor and discharged.
“It’s just plain weird,” Sparks Police Lt. Chad Hawkins told the Los Angeles Times. “We don’t know if the gun was in a holster or what.”
The tale gets even weirder.
“After wounding himself in an unknown portion of his buttocks,” Hawkins said, “he stood up, apologized to people in the audience and left.” Police said only five patrons in the crowd of 30 heard the gun go off. No one else was hurt.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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Switzerland's murder rate is many, many, many times greater than for similar European countries that restrict guns like Germany (that speaks almost the same language and a few generations ago were the Nazis)
So it's not just society but a totality
Peace
Karl
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jstan
climber
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Aug 16, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/54710022-68/deputies-tregre-officers-sheriff.html.csp
2 sheriff’s deputies dead, 2 hurt in Louisiana shootout
By KEVIN McGILL The Associated Press
First Published 7 hours ago • Updated 1 minute ago
LAPLACE, La. • Two sheriff’s deputies in Louisiana were shot to death and two others were injured in an early morning shootout west of New Orleans, authorities said Thursday.
The sheriff in St. John the Baptist Parish said five people are in custody.
A tearful Sheriff Michael Tregre said the incident started when a gunman opened fire for unknown reasons on a deputy working an off-duty traffic detail along a highway that connects U.S. Highway 61 with the busy industrial corridor along the Mississippi River. That deputy was wounded.
Tregre said someone called deputies with a description of a car fleeing the scene, and officers tracked it to a nearby trailer park.
When officers found the car, they handcuffed a suspect outside a trailer, then knocked on its door. Tregre said someone with a dog answered.
"Another person exited that trailer with an assault weapon and ambushed my two officers," Tregre said. Two deputies were killed and a third was wounded.
Two suspects were wounded in the shootout before officers subdued them, Tregre said.
The dead deputies were identified as Brandon Nielsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 27. The wounded officers were Jason Triche, 30, and Michael Boyington, 33. They were being treated at area hospitals but the extent of their injuries was not known. The Triches are not believed to be related.
The suspects were not immediately identified.
The initial shooting occurred around 5:30 a.m. at a parking lot off Louisiana Highway 3217 used by workers in the industrial area about 20 miles west of New Orleans, near the line between St. Charles and St. John the Baptist parishes. A massive grain port also is nearby. There is heavy traffic in the area as shifts change at plants and port facilities.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 16, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
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If all guns were banned in the U.S. now, I still want to know what you would do with the ones already in circulation.
you're rather thick Jody, are you FAT's alter ego?
I already told you - pound 'em into plowshares and hammers
Then use one to hammer a nail into your thick head to let in the light of day.
EDIT:
Oh yeah,
How do you get 'em out of all those Second Amendment rights folks defending "our liberty" (how many of those making the proclamations actually went to any of the wars in Texas, Europe, South Pacific, Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistanto defend anybody?)
Buy 'em - have Paul Ryan give them each a voucher in trade for the gun to buy healthcare.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 16, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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If all guns were banned in the U.S. now, I still want to know what you would do with the ones already in circulation.
Not advocating banning guns (or cigarettes) but we shouldn't have blinders on about it either
peace
Karl
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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However, Washington, DC is the "murder capital of the United States." New York City has had severe gun control laws since 1911, yet it also ranks among the most dangerous places in the country
This is a complete falsehood. The most dangerous parts of the country in which to live are the Western states with the loosest gun laws. You are statistically more likely to be shot in Albuquerque or Phoenix than NYC.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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If you have equivalent locations (cities or rural areas) having more guns ends up meaning more deaths from guns. If you can't see this your gun lust is clouding your judgement.
So how do you preserve your right to own guns and keep them out of the hands of the wrong people and/or keep the overall number of guns lower? Any suggestions from the pro gun folks? And don't say "more guns" LOL.
I'd probably be ok with CA type laws being nationwide, except that Ron has made me wonder if the 10 round clip limit prevents any deaths, and I think we should have access to tactical/assault weapons through a process similar to the concealed carry permit or at least the handgun process.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Show me you can keep guns out of the hands of felons and parolees first.
Come up with a way to do that, then we'll talk.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 17, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
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Total cop out Chaz.
Of course you can't get all guns out of the wrong hands. The discussion is about how to reduce additional guns getting into their hands.
That's really the whole crux of the issue. The more guns there are especially handguns, and the less they are regulated, the more they end up in the hands of felons/parolees. Very many guns taken from people in CA who shouldn't have them come from guess where... Arizona and Nevada with their lax laws, not from CA where it's much tougher to get handguns.
It doesn't really bother me to have to take a safety course, pass a background check and register my handguns if it means it helps keep thousands of additional guns out of the wrong hands. The alternative is states where people can buy as many handguns as they want and not register them and so you have a black market industry of people who buy guns and sell them to people who shouldn't have them. You'll never stop that but you can reduce it greatly with stiffer laws like in CA.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 17, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
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Parolees have no rights ( they're technically still in prison ).
Cops can visit them and shake them down at any time, for no reason at all.
And still, parolees get their hands on guns.
For any gun banning law to actually be effective, law abiding people would have to be subject to even greater restrictions than parolees are now.
A solution to your problem isn't a law. You're trying to use the wrong tool for the job.
It might make you feel good, but it won't be effective.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
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Laws are effective. Look at CA compared to AZ. Greater regulations on handguns means less of them around and less getting into the wrong hands (because there are less and because if a gun is registered to a person there's far less chance that person is going to sell them to a felon / parolee). If you can't see that it's because you don't WANT to see it.
Edit: I didn't mention banning anything. I said CA type handgun laws are good and it would be good if they were federal. I don't know if that would be legal or not.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
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One thing California does well, relative to other states, is to crack down on violent felons.
Three strikes laws have more to do with any difference than gun laws do, because criminals ignore gun laws the same way they ignore other laws. That's what makes them criminals. They ignore laws.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
helena montana
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
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Here in MT.you can get almost anything at anytime. Gun shows are a real problem, I could buy 100 pistols or Assault rifles a day if I had the money and no ID, When I want to sell a firearm I consign it to a dealer and he does all the background checks etc. etc. I will never sell one to "some guy" that I don't know..I can look in the paper today and buy anthing I want on the way home from work if I wanted to. So.. regulate gun shows and the local paper or at least have some kind of check system in place.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
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The "gun show loophole" is actually just a pejorative phrase for "private sale", something essential to the civilian populace's ability to maintain their Second Amendment rights.
If you think I'm paranoid then I think that you are fatally naive.
You don't have to thank me for being one of those that maintain your options, but quit whining about how inherently evil those are that do!
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
helena montana
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Aug 17, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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I think I'm the one who is paranoid,and or racist, I would never sell a gun to a Black,Indian,Muslim,mexican or a Kid or anybody that not in my Good-ol-boy club, Most out here know and do the same..
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 17, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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Ron how are untrackable gun sales with no background checks essential to maintaining second amendment rights?
In CA you have to do private sales through a FFL dealer. A small hassle, but worth it to keep guns our of the hands of criminals IMO.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 17, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
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Actually it is the way to place your guns into the hands of the worst criminals in history.
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