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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 23, 2010 - 12:26pm PT
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This just comes via Reuters and quotes many ex-military higher officers who say they have proof and are holding a press conference at the national press club. If you immediately dismiss this without checking it out, how high is your will and capacity for denial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915
PR Newswire
WASHINGTON, Sept. 15
Ex-military men say unknown intruders have monitored and even tampered with American nuclear missiles
Group to call on U.S. Government to reveal the facts
WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby. Six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about these events at the National Press Club and urge the government to publicly confirm their reality.
One of them, ICBM launch officer Captain Robert Salas, was on duty during one missile disruption incident at Malmstrom Air Force Base and was ordered to never discuss it. Another participant, retired Col. Charles Halt, observed a disc-shaped object directing beams of light down into the RAF Bentw#ters airbase in England and heard on the radio that they landed in the nuclear weapons storage area. Both men will provide stunning details about these events, and reveal how the U.S. military responded.
Captain Salas notes, "The U.S. Air Force is lying about the national security implications of unidentified aerial objects at nuclear bases and we can prove it." Col. Halt adds, "I believe that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted—both then and now—to subvert the significance of what occurred at RAF Bentw#ters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."
The group of witnesses and a leading researcher, who has brought them together for the first time, will discuss the national security implications of these and other alarmingly similar incidents and will urge the government to reveal all information about them. This is a public-awareness issue.
Declassified U.S. government documents, to be distributed at the event, now substantiate the reality of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites extending back to 1948. The press conference will also address present-day concerns about the abuse of government secrecy as well as the ongoing threat of nuclear weapons.
WHO: Dwynne Arneson, USAF Lt. Col. Ret., communications center officer-in-charge
Bruce Fenstermacher, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Charles Halt, USAF Col. Ret., former deputy base commander
Robert Hastings, researcher and author
Robert Jamison, former USAF nuclear missile targeting officer
Patrick McDonough, former USAF nuclear missile site geodetic surveyor
Jerome Nelson, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Robert Salas, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2010 - 01:27pm PT
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And to add . . .
U.S. Nuclear Weapons Have Been Compromised by Unidentified Aerial Objects
Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:44am EDT
WHAT: Noted researcher Robert Hastings, author of UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites, will moderate a distinguished panel of former U.S. Air Force officers involved in UFO incidents at nuclear missile sites near Malmstrom, F.E. Warren, and Walker AFBs, as well as the nuclear weapons depot at RAF Bentw#ters.
WHEN: Monday, September 27, 2010
12:30 p.m.
WHERE: National Press Club
Holeman Lounge
Event open to credentialed media and Congressional staff only
SOURCE Former U.S. Air Force Officer Robert Salas, and Researcher Robert Hastings
Thanks Karl :-))
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
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Don't be fooled, Karl. It is on the Reuters web site but it is from "PR Newswire" and is a press release, not journalism.
Expect this book to be heavily promoted at the event:
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
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GC,
Let me get this straight. What concerns you most is that this is a National Press Club meeting to only promote a book.
You are not concerned that our US government lies and cover-ups these UFO/ET goings on, even when they effect our National Defense and our National Security. You are ok with that. The bigger issue for you is the PR for a book.
How else are concerned citizens, concerned military officers and concerned enlisted members of the US Armed Forces going to talk "true to power" to their government? This is a 1st Admendment Right. We still have the ability to grieve our government and voice our concerns (at least for a little longer while we still have a Constitution and Bill of Rights).
I'm tired of the thoughtless and brainless "Debunking."
Some of you don't like getting painted into a corner where you can no longer ignore your own obvious ignorance, and you have to come to the reality that our government and other governments lie. Perhaps some of you are just like Colbert on "The Cobert Reporrrrrr," and you just don't want to know (lol). You would rather bury your head in the sand and ignore it. You don't like the idea that we are not the only intelligence in the Universe, and this seriously challenges your world-view and your lack of faith in GOD.
Time to wake up.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 03:31pm PT
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What concerns me most, Klimmer, is that I look at you and see this:
Of less concern is that you look at a press release issued by crazy people selling a crackpot book and think its serious journalism.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 23, 2010 - 03:52pm PT
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serious journalism doesn't exist anywhere except on the internet, where a few reporters manage to get by on contributions. television and major newspapers are totally controlled by established corporate interests. courageous journalists are usually never even hired. the ones who get feisty get fired. time and again.
i'm inclined to take this less seriously because it got okayed by some reuters editor. whatever the truth is that's "out there", as they used to say on x-files, it's under great control and allowed only to leak slowly to the public. the object of the game is to retain control.
most of us know JFK was not assassinated by lee harvey oswald, now, nearly 50 years later. operation northwoods, possibly the reason JFK was eliminated, has been released through the--hahahaha--freedom of tardy information act.
live long and you will know all the truths that "real" journalism will bring your way, graniteclimber, years after it ceases to be important.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 04:10pm PT
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i'm inclined to take this less seriously because it got okayed by some reuters editor.
Tony, it wasn't okayed by some Reuters editor. Every PR Newswire is carried by Reuters. Pay a few bucks and you can issue your own PR Newswire story and have it carried by Reuters. Of course very few PR Newswire stories are picked up by the editors that draw on Reuters.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 23, 2010 - 04:11pm PT
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There's always an excuse when it comes to lousy readiness and bad maintenance.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 23, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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I just saying they are worth listening to. We're talking former higher officers, deputy base commanders and nuke launch officers. Launch officers are highly vetted for not being nutcases.
So we should either re-double our nuclear security so nutcases aren't on the buttons, or figure out why these guys (only one has a book) care to look like nutcases in front of everybody
PEace
Karl
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 23, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
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if that's true, granite, it proves my point by your standards: reuters willing to sell its prestige for a few bucks. news organizations used to be a lot more fastidious about such things.
as i've said before on here, press services rarely initiate stories. they pick them all up from member media. of course, an editor decides whether it's newsworthy--or politically correct.
sounds more to me like a "day the earth stood still" scenario, karl. thank god the aliens are interfering with these trigger-happy nuclear cowboys.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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We're talking former higher officers, deputy base commanders and nuke launch officers. Launch officers are highly vetted for not being nutcases.
Just like this astronaut.
Karl, I think to be a launch officer, where your entire job is to nuke people, you'd have to be a nutcase on some level to begin with.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:17pm PT
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Graniteclimber, from here you don't look so smart.
Of course that's a press release, it's not touted as news.
Yet you say:
... press release issued by crazy people ...
"Witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003."
There are many documented encounters from military from around the world, looks like you have no problem calling them all quacks.
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307716848/ref=pd_sim_b_1
Why is your disbelief so strong?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:22pm PT
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Again, the time and distances involved amounts to time travel. i.e. At the time anyone would even consider coming here humans likely wouldn't have existed on the planet. Our radio signature only has a 70 light year radius with powerful signals probably half that. The idea that we've been visited once is outlandish. The idea we're visited all the time by different alien races lunatic. The idea they'd travel here in a craft which could then enter our atmosphere idiotic (or in an undetected 'mothership'). The idea that anyone who could get here would give a flying f*#k about our nukes laughable. And the idea that there would be anyway for them to malfunction a silo from a 'saucer' is even more laughable. The whole affair has zero credibility and is strictly a just another sales pitch to sell books. Would you like some pine tar syrup with that?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
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"Witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003."
K-man, why are you so willing to believe everything you read?
Hello? Hello?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:31pm PT
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"K-man, why are you so willing to believe everything you read?"
I do not believe everything. But, I have had an interest in UFOs for a long time, not believing nor disbelieving. Curious, if you will.
The Mexican Air Force incident was the first time a Gov't acknowledged the presence of unidentified objects (as far as I know), and for this I think it's a very important event.
While I don't believe everything, it is hard to discount military pilots and Gov't officials who come clean on this stuff. We are watching it unfold--that's my belief.
But you, with the back of your hand, brush off 120 military officials, calling them all crazy without even looking at what they have to offer. Now that looks foolish to me.
And, these are the folks who are tasked with operating our nuke sites. You must not have very much faith in our military if you think they just put whackos in there to operate our nuke sites. Think about it.
[BTW, cool graphic!]
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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This picture was taken on the way back from the Valley.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:42pm PT
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Also, an alien saved my life a couple of weeks ago.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:46pm PT
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The Mexican Air Force incident was the first time a Gov't acknowledged the presence of unidentified objects (as far as I know), and for this I think it's a very important event.
Both the U.S. and U.K governments have declassified reports on unidentified objects.
An unidentified object is just that. If I see something in the sky and can't tell what it is, it is unidentified.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 23, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
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"This picture was taken on the way back from the Valley."
Quite obviously a hoax. You must think I'm a fool to fall for that BS.
But go on, call decorated military personnel "crazy," without actually looking at what they have to offer. And then you insult those that do look at what is being offered, why I think you're just a jerk.
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