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dirtbag
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There you go again Ron. You don't understand it but you can't shut up about it. You have to have a fookin opinion even tho you're illiterate.
You could do somethig about that but you choose not too.
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raymond phule
climber
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Cool, the author of the chiefs latest figure also believes in chemtrails!
It is really nice to see the impressive source checking by the chief et. al.
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raymond phule
climber
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It would be very interesting if someone with great knowledge about the climate would fake a person, fake data, fake arguments, fake plots etc and made a homepage where he with completely wrong arguments argue against man's influence on the climate. So we could see how incredible fast the incorrect information would flew throw the blogosphere and be parroted as the truth by ron et. al.
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raymond phule
climber
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Yes wessie they "modify" their stances regularly.. wonder why lol!
Did you even read the newspaper article about that projection? It where one or two other climate scientist interviewed that said that they didn't believe in an ice free arctic 2013. It was clear from the article that the mainstream scientists did believe that it where very unlikely that the arctic where going to be ice free in 2013.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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anita, since youve been here, your posting record is 100% BS. You cried wolf over the Chief wanting him banned , which is now obviously hillarious.
Me thinks you harbor some secret desire for him actually. Either that or your just an internet troll. Thus far to the GW conversation youve added exaclty NOTHING.
and you just figured this out? man, you ARE as smart as they say!
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raymond phule
climber
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"This will do better...."
That figure has a completely different time scale and it is neither consistent to the rest of the figures you have shown.
Is it Spencer's satellite data that has been shown incorrect?
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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I find the argument difficult to take that we poor, weak humans cannot, or are not effecting the environment. We,ve effected everything else... just look around. I,ll stick to the local, visible habitat that is home.
Wild horses and cattle- tearing up the land, competing for habitat with native species, in puch a hostile environment (to them) that we have to round the damn things up to prevent their starvation and dessication. Idiots fight to protect them.
Cheat grass, tumbleweeds, other non-native flora taking over, causing substantially worse wildfires, drowning out the old plants like sage, changing the habitat to the detriment of species like sage grouse.
Bark beetles, norway rats, euro doves, african bees- all bad in places they dont belong.
And what about holes in the earth? Mercury, acid runoff, toxic water pits. People say it came outa the ground, so what can it hurt? Well, in situ, probably nothing. If we leave things alone, there they stay in geologic equilibrium, more or less. When we disturb them, then things happen much faster. The killer ledge-dwelling-boulder might perch there like a stone griffin til your grandchildrens great grandchildren fertilize the earth except that some dipsh#t "climber" wedgied his pinkie toe behind it at the crux, sending the griffin on a death plummet to the bottom of the void.
Point is, we aint doing the environment any favors, and y,all sit around chosing what scientific flavor of the month to believe like its 31 flavors and damn the tummy ache.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Ron I remember that conversation. Not pointing at you.
Just grabbing a beer and some popcorn to watch the show that is this thread, where everyone gets to blast the opposing science as skewed, flawed, or corrupt.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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hey btw Ron, let me know if you want to climb some time this weekend. we got stuf going on, but i might get to sneak out for a bit.
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raymond phule
climber
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Why not,, according to some thermocline science does not exist anymore.
You show that you do not understand the science and what other people write in most of your post...
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raymond phule
climber
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Who did you try to answer?
Your understanding of science have nothing to do with the government.
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raymond phule
climber
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Your understanding of science seems to be all about spotted owls though.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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you guys are harsh. like yer tryn to go political or somethin. feel the love!
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dirtbag
climber
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Actually they are shooting barred owls , not (great) gray owls Rong, to
conserve spotted owls. But what do I know, you're the self appointed spotted owl expert here.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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hey- the climates gona change someday and death valley will have water. whatcha askin on that property- might be a good investment...
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dirtbag
climber
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The great gray owls are competitors?
Source?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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yeah well....
explain THIS, and how the Screaming Loon is involved then:
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Tell that to Lake Erie and L.A. smog.
And the Ohio River, once an open sewer, now a great place to fish.
When I first started surveying, a big concern when doing any sort of excavating along the freeways was aerially deposited lead. (WTF is that I wondered when I first saw it on a set of plans. I had visions of crop dusters spraying lead along the freeways.) Of course, it came from auto exhaust.
How to dispose of that contaminated soil was a PITA for the engineers and the contractors. Now it becomes less and less of an issue as lead is no longer being gassed into the air. It's saving the taxpayers a lot of money.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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As this photo of Steller Sea Lions huddling together for warmth shows, there is great
concern that their populations could maybe be reduced due to the dropping sea levels
in Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.
What are we to make of this, or even do about this?
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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perfect! neighbors suck.
anything local-ish is good. Sumner,s Secret Summit,s too far out this weekend for me. relatives lurking.
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