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raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
So why did you try to make a point about an extra opening month of an airfield that lies above 80 m of ice and made a connection with record low ice that year?
raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:32pm PT

Because "normally" flight ops are suspended in MARCH through AUG due to the sea ice melting out and compromising the integrity of the field status during those months.

Any link to that? The sea ice melting out in the middle of the winter? A problem with the integrity on a 80 m thick ice?

raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
????? mars to aug is not winter in Antartica?
raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
So the 80m thick ice just usually just disappear or something?
raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:48pm PT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_Field

I guess that that information is completely wrong?

Do you know that you just make up stuff or do you manage to delude yourself?
raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Yes, it has moved because the ice move. Not because it melt and disappear.

Interesting but sad to see how you google like crazy to try to make your first ridiculous statement true.

You probably forgot that mars was in the summer in antartica so you tried to make a point that extra thick ice was necessary to be able to hold a winter open airport open a month longer.

But you have never been wrong in your whole life so you continue digging the hole deeper and deeper to not have to admit your error.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 3, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 3, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
LOL, it's the deniers who accuse the climate scientists and governments of being in a conspiracy.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 3, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
You choose to believe that humans are changing the Earth's climate
you also likely to fall for conspiracy theories


Like many other ideologue declarations, that's the opposite of the truth. Conspiracy theories are the heart and soul of every denialist website. Including, conspiracy theories denouncing a paper that pointed them out.

NASA Faked the Moon Landing—Therefore, (Climate) Science Is a Hoax. An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science
Stephan Lewandowsky
Klaus Oberauer
Gilles E. Gignac

Abstract

Although nearly all domain experts agree that carbon dioxide emissions are altering the world’s climate, segments of the public remain unconvinced by the scientific evidence. Internet blogs have become a platform for denial of climate change, and bloggers have taken a prominent role in questioning climate science. We report a survey of climate-blog visitors to identify the variables underlying acceptance and rejection of climate science. Our findings parallel those of previous work and show that endorsement of free-market economics predicted rejection of climate science. Endorsement of free markets also predicted the rejection of other established scientific findings, such as the facts that HIV causes AIDS and that smoking causes lung cancer. We additionally show that, above and beyond endorsement of free markets, endorsement of a cluster of conspiracy theories (e.g., that the Federal Bureau of Investigation killed Martin Luther King, Jr.) predicted rejection of climate science as well as other scientific findings. Our results provide empirical support for previous suggestions that conspiratorial thinking contributes to the rejection of science. Acceptance of science, by contrast, was strongly associated with the perception of a consensus among scientists.

Psychological Science (2012)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 3, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Or this, from a newer paper by the same authors (different data) in PLOS One:

Free-market worldviews are an important predictor of the rejection of scientific findings that have potential regulatory implications, such as climate science, but not necessarily of other scientific issues. Conspiracist ideation, by contrast, is associated with the rejection of all scientific propositions tested. We highlight the manifold cognitive reasons why conspiracist ideation would stand in opposition to the scientific method. The involvement of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science has implications for science communicators.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
I guess you need to continue to google. Strange that you obviously do not have any source at all that agrees with your claims.

raymond phule

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Maybe I should help you a little. Willy field is seven miles from shore and not directly on the ice so your pics shows something else.

I guess that your gibberish is about the ice runway that usually close at the beginning of december but that is of course incoherent to all your claims above.

So do you have a source that the ice runway was open the whole season until march this year?

Willy field and pegasus seems to be able to operate all year round but is usually not operated in the dark.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 3, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 3, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Chief, do ya know how to read english?

The source is in the graph, idiot.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 3, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
LOL, Chief, classic denier strategy, if it's aint 100% it aint nothing.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 3, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
So, If your physician tells you that you need a kidney or heart or lung or... transplant based on anything less than 100% assurance that you need one, you will go ahead and have it done.

only if it's a Cod Fearing White Coated Physician
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 3, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
That shrapnel is in the head ,Right?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 3, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
You hotheads like to lead everyone to believe that the modest warming of just passed late 20th century is unprecedented. One of the most rapid habitations of any earth environment was by the Thule Eskimo. Starting near 1000 a.d. and continuing for two centuries they dispersed through a 3500 mile arc of the Arctic from Alaska's northwest coast to Greenland. Contemporary to this was the Vikings colonization of Greenland . The ice was at historic lows that allowed unimpeded travel through the northwest passage and the seas around Greenland-Now can any of you big brained dweebs answer me what conditions allowed this -little hint MWP. The Chief is right the climate is always changing and on it's own-the current period is unremarkable. Below is a link to a discussion of a 1937 paper about the MWP and LIA in Italy .

http://www.co2science.org/articles/V16/N40/EDIT.php
julton

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Try Cod.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 3, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Burbot and Shefish are very tasty, superior IMO to Arctic Char. If you venture into the salt water Ling Cod are awesome.
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