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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Aug 20, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
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But nevertheless, they are Humans, and ALL Humans have equal rights, and the right to marry one other person is part of Our Constitutional Rights, and should be respected
If gays have a right to get married, so do consensual polygamists.
If you are biased against polygamists and so don't think they should have the same rights as everyone else, ask yourself how you're different from people who are biased against gays and so don't think they should have the right to marry.
Some of this stuff is complicated and reasonable people can differ, but all the above is real simple and I'm getting sick and tired of people being ignorant (perhaps willfully so) about the logical implications of gay marriage.
I would abolish government controlled marriage, have the law treat everyone the same, and leave marriage to churches or whatever voluntary social constructs people want to develop.
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Bertrand
climber
California
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Aug 20, 2010 - 01:53pm PT
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DMT, you sit precariously on the edge of circular reasoning with your remark.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Aug 20, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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if gays have a right to get married, so do consensual polygamists
What Dingus said.
But assuming your point is valid, I think the key word is consensual. If some poor sod can handle more than his share of emotional cycling, then fine by me. Same goes for polyandry. As long as the parties involved are legal adults and are not being coerced into it, then have at it.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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Aug 20, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
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As a spouse you enjoy ~1200 rights and privileges that homosexual couples don't. Imagine watching your partner die in a hospital and being denied visitation. Imagine the family who thought it was a sin and refusing you entry to the house where you lived, refusing access to photos and mementos and personal belongings.
Refusing the benefits of marriage to a swath of humans is to deny them equal access to the law, and that the Constitution will not countenance.
But screw it. Enough Apollonian rationality, it's time to get down and dirty with Dionysus! I'm going to Bunringman next week and I'm going to marry myself. That's right. I will love honor and obey myself, cherish and protect, through sickness and in health, world without end. I'll be at the Barbie Death Camp and Wine Bistro (the friendliest concentration camp on the playa!) so come in and do say "Howdy!"
But if it's still Apollo you want, all y'all can check out Plato's symposium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium_%28Plato%29
Those Greek -- I'll tell yew what!!!
It's easy to guess where ol' Phaedrus would have come out on Prop 8.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Aug 20, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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^^^
Brilliant Brian!
Very jealous re: burning man. Have a blast for me!
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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Aug 20, 2010 - 06:02pm PT
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Yeah you should be jealous! It's non-stop party action and wall-to-wall hotties (and shirtcockers, but that's why we come heavily armed with a pants cannon and air horns!)
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Bertrand
climber
California
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Aug 20, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
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It will be tough to part with this thread for a week...but alas, I must go climbing...any bluegrass players or climbers gonna be on the East Side next week, hit me up! I check email.
Jess
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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You guys still suck.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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This dude should have 'FAG' stamped on his helmet.
Actually he only plays a homer in this shot. He said he looked like a dork, I said he looked more like a gay porn-star!!!!
Bwahahahahhaahaa!!!!! He told me it was okay to post it. Rock on, Mason!!! You do have a good sense of humor!
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photonez
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Bluey - quit touching me!
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climb2000
Gym climber
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PROP 8 was just plain stupid!
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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That's f*#ked up, blue. I only wore the damn thing because you said it would make you happy.
Now i know why!!!
But that picture comes nowhere near your profile pic:
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nice one, Mason!!!!!
Only the really cool climbers hang their shades off their slings. How gay...
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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We'll have your 2011 calendar ready soon, Blue. That picture is going on the cover.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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We'll have your 2011 calendar ready soon, Blue.
Are there any of me crashing a firepit late at night??? My right knee is still jacked....
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Nah. You didn't give us enough warning.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Wow RJ- I didn't know you were an ethologist too! I'd love to read some of the publications that show how humans aren't animals and that "animals" don't have a sense of shame. Is that the only quality that divides us? Can they love or hate?
Please tell us what trait(s) make us "uniquely human"
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 14, 2010 - 12:05pm PT
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Number of times Jesus condemns homosexuality: Zero.
Number of times he condemns divorce: 4. Adultery: 9.
Number of New Testament verses condemning the rich: 20+.
Number condemning gay marriage: Zero.
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