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Yury
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T.O.
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Sep 21, 2018 - 04:39am PT
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The Fet:
Yes the people who are opposed to the most dishonest president in my lifetime, who's a racist, sexist, demagogue (all from his twitter feed) are immoral. Modern progressives (similar to Stalin, Mao etc.) have very noble intentions.
Similar to Stalin, Mao etc. they fight for better life of all people except deplorable ones.
Similar to Stalin, Mao etc. they are willing to sacrifice freedom and human rights and supress deplorable people for the sake of improvement of life of their favored social groups.
Again, this experiment was conducted quite a few times and regardless of the intentions outcome was the same.
At least be like Jody and admit he's a horrible person but since you like his right wing agenda you'll swallow your pride and support him.
Unlike quite a few of my friends I understand the difference between politics and a pageant.
I accept a person with some character flaws if this person decreases chances of repetition of what was accomplished by Stalin, Mao etc.
In my neck of the woods I am used to coordinated MSM attacks first on local mayor and then on his brother who became a Premier of our province.
Fords do not have ideal personalities, but they listen(ed) to people and work(ed) on improvement of their lives.
But you must pick one or the other. Yes, I stand for my liberal values.
I pick freedom, human rights and democracy.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Sep 21, 2018 - 06:47am PT
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Wow Jody, you're such a champion. And the rest of us have miserable lives?? Jeezus.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 21, 2018 - 06:54am PT
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I would bet the highest wealth rate as well.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 21, 2018 - 07:43am PT
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So what.
You are saying California has the most people in poverty because of liberals.
I am saying you have the most rich people ,
Because of liberals.
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Gunks Ray
Trad climber
Gunks
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Sep 21, 2018 - 07:43am PT
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California, run by liberals for years, has the highest poverty rate in the country.
And just where do you get your info Jody?
A 5 min check online comes up with California as number 35 out of 50 in poverty rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
The 15 states with a poverty rate higher than California are all deep red conservative Republican states, you know, those business friendly, low regulation, low taxed, high opportunity states.
35 California 16.4% 6,253 15.5% 23.8%
36 Oklahoma 16.6% 623 13.0% 13.4%
37 Florida 16.6% 3,231 14.6% 19.5%[12]
38 Texas 17.2% 4,519 17.4% 16.4%
39 North Carolina 17.2% 1,663 17.0% 14.2%
40 South Carolina 17.9% 838 13.8% 15.8%
41 Tennessee 18.2% 1,165 16.7% 15.5%
42 Arizona 18.2% 1,195 21.3% 18.8%
43 West Virginia 18.3% 328 16.0% 12.9%
44 Georgia (U.S. state) Georgia 18.4% 1,298 18.5% 18.2%
45 District of Columbia 18.4% 114 18.0% 22.7%[13]
46 Arkansas 18.7% 539 19.1% 16.5%
47 Kentucky 19.0% 812 17.1% 13.6%
48 Alabama 19.2% 905 16.8% 13.5%
49 Louisiana 19.9% 898 14.3% 18.5%[14]
50 New Mexico 20.6% 347 19.6% 16.1%
51 Mississippi 21.9% 634 23.2% 16.1%[15]
The only blue leaning area to make the bottom 15 on the list is the District of Columbia, but it's not a state.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 21, 2018 - 07:54am PT
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Gunks, please, don't confuse Jody with "Alternative Facts"
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 21, 2018 - 08:24am PT
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wilbeer
Sep 21, 2018 - 07:11am PT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_the_number_of_billionaires
This is how I meant it,there are several ways.You were talking about poverty ,I was talking of wealth ,not average income ,housing,etc.
Using your link, California has one billionaire for every 318,000 people. Connecticut has a ratio of 1 to 211,00. Looks like CT has a much better rate. Regardless, it's a stupid metric.
If you look at net worth/capita by State, California is middle of the pack.
Gunks Ray
Trad climber
Gunks
Sep 21, 2018 - 07:43am PT
And just where do you get your info Jody?
A 5 min check online comes up with California as number 35 out of 50 in poverty rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
The last column "supplemental poverty measure (geographically adjusted) ranks California 1st at 23.8%. It's almost 50% higher than US rate of 16%.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 21, 2018 - 08:42am PT
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*the party of law and order
and yet under Republican presidents over the past 40 years, there were 118 investigated officials, 92 indicted, and 35 prison sentences
under the democrat presidents in the same period there were 2 investigations 1 indictments and 1 prison sentence
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2018 - 09:31am PT
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Jody's persistent attacks on Cali are screwed on critical metric-
Jody don't surf....
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 21, 2018 - 11:24am PT
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Cork on a pencil???
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 21, 2018 - 11:24am PT
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I doubt if the information Jody quotes on CA being #1 in poverty rate was an accident on his part. Per his link & the below spreadsheet, he is quoting an un-official SPM rate that also includes public assistance to folks living near the poverty level, but above it, due to government help.
Per the below table California's Official poverty rate makes it #15 on the list, behind all the good Republican states in the Southeast.
And yes Jody, since California helps out many folks that live near the poverty level, with your tax money, it is #1 in SPM. What a kindly government you have, you lucky, lucky, fellow.
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2018/demo/p60-265.html
Table A-5.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 21, 2018 - 11:35am PT
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Data and facts have zero relevancy in any post-2016 political discussion.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 21, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
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Modern progressives (similar to Stalin, Mao etc.) have very noble intentions.
Similar to Stalin, Mao etc. they fight for better life of all people except deplorable ones.
Similar to Stalin, Mao etc. they are willing to sacrifice freedom and human rights and supress deplorable people for the sake of improvement of life of their favored social groups.
Again, this experiment was conducted quite a few times and regardless of the intentions outcome was the same.
You equate all progressives to stalin, mao, etc. If you are going to do that shouldn't you equate all conservatives to Taliban? Right? When you give conservatives power they will impose their religious beliefs on everyone and of course become power hungry facists just like the left must be. If you lean one way you MUST go all the way.
It's not just favored social groups it's the various degrees of nepotism demonstrated by Stalin, mao, Trump, Clintons etc. (Trump is FAR worse than Clintons if you have any objectivity BTW) probably Bernie Sanders was the one least likely in the last election to go down this road, but since he's the most progressive he MUST be worse than Clinton or Trump by your way of thinking.
I accept a person with some character flaws if this person decreases chances of repetition of what was accomplished by Stalin, Mao etc.
Actually the demonstration of character flaws is a better indicator of someone with fascist tendencies (as Trump has done over and over) than what side of the political isle they are on. And the whole idea that stalin, mao could do what they did in the US is laughable. What is happening is the republicans went farther right (W Bush), so we swung left (Obama) and now we swung even farther right (but not in a good sense of fiscal responsibility, the bad sense of increased borrowing and allowing even more special interest control over our elections and govt.) and that will just continue going more to the left and right each time. Already we are seeing the reaction where large parts of the democratic party are swinging further left in response to Trumpism. Instead of moving to the center where things are pragmatic and work better for most people.
I pick freedom, human rights and democracy.
Then you should support the democrats over the republicans because if you are objective the dems policies help the latter two far more than the reps. The first one is subjective about what you consider the most important freedoms are.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Sep 21, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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de·moc·ra·cy
/dəˈmäkrəsē/ control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.
jody don't surf, and yury don't understand the majority rule part of democracy, the basic decency aspect of human rights, or why, maybe, sometimes, sticking pigs on spits actually is justifiable.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Sep 21, 2018 - 04:30pm PT
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The Fet:
You equate all progressives to Stalin, Mao, etc. Not yet.
I just noticed some similarities and troubling trends (see my notes above).
It's not just favored social groups it's the various degrees of nepotism demonstrated by Stalin, Mao, Trump, Clintons etc. The Fet, you have very limited knowledge of the Eastern history.
I agree that nepotism demonstrated by Trump and Clintons is troubling.
However you can't equate them to Stalin and Mao.
Stalin and Mao were idealists, they have not acquired any personal wealth and have not made their relatives reach.
These idealists killed millions of people.
We can see that in these examples nepotism has not played any significant role.
Actually the demonstration of character flaws is a better indicator of someone with fascist tendencies (as Trump has done over and over) than what side of the political isle they are on. I disagree with your focus on personalities. Your theory of building of totalitarian state is different from theories of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin.
Theory of Marx and Lenin was proven in several countries and we know outcome of these experiments.
I am not sure that your theory has any substantiation at all.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Sep 21, 2018 - 05:47pm PT
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Mussolini/Hitler vs. Lenin/Mao
Tough choice.
Hyperbole is now the language of choice.
How did this country become so absurd?
tRump vs Hillary?
We are getting played.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 21, 2018 - 06:56pm PT
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LMFAO...!!!!
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