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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 22, 2015 - 01:47pm PT
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The "email fake scandal?" All the evidence educed so far shows it's real, but the mainstream media does its best to ignore that evidence. The more clear the evidence of illegal use of private servers for government work - and the consequent removal of public records from public scrutiny - the more silent the MSM becomes.
Had a Republican administration engaged in such pervasive illegality and cover-ups, it would have been hounded from office. During Watergate, Republicans in Congress joined Democrats in outrage over executive cover-ups. The sad fact is that in this administration, Democrats in Congress aid and abet those cover-ups. Hillary's and the Obama Administration's lesson from Watergate seems to be to destroy the tapes.
John
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 22, 2015 - 01:52pm PT
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I'll amend that to "over-hyped" scandal.
I completely disagree with your assessment that the media is ignoring this issue. They are hungry for any story, any scandal. I guess you weren't watching all summer and early fall when this led the news on every channel. Hillary has an uneasy relationship with the press, at best.
That "if the Republican's had done this" bs is Fox/Limbaugh/Hannity 101. Can't believe someone as smart as you falls for it.
evidence of illegal use Hmmm..I guess indictments will be coming down any day, huh? Or is the FBI in on the cover-up, too?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2015 - 05:22am PT
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John posted The fatuous questions the Republicans get asked -- and the softballs pitched to Hillary Clinton -- did not happen accidentally, either.
John this kind of statement makes me question your news sources. When moderators tried to be as tough on Republican candidates as Cooper was on Clinton, the candidates all started mocking the moderators and refused to answer the questions. Did you actually watch the Democratic debates? I'm skeptical. I've watched every debate from both parties live except for this last Saturday. The idea that Dems are getting softballs compared to the Republicans is pure propaganda. In half the Republican debates they even have a card carrying partisan on the stage to frame questions tailor made for Republicans!
John posted Had a Republican administration engaged in such pervasive illegality and cover-ups, it would have been hounded from office.
You mean like if the Vice President decided all his emails were exempt from archival rules? Or if the administration ignored incredibly clear warnings that a significant terrorist attack was imminent? Or if they contrived reasons to invade a country based on obviously bad information? Remind me which of those scandals resulted in people losing their jobs. My memory is obviously not as good as yours.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 23, 2015 - 05:51am PT
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Once again, the republicans are serving chickenhawk at their presidential smorgasbord. All (except Paul) talk tough, tough, tough, but to my knowledge, none have served in the military. Graham and Perry did, but they are gawn.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2015 - 07:46am PT
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where is the anguish, the rage, at the Republicans for running up the national debt?
And where is the rage at the Obama Administration's announcement that they have OK'd
the Air Forces's new Strategic Bomber Program? $200 BILLION for another worthless
POS white elephant toy for those sick bastards in the Pentagon? Really? How liberal!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2015 - 07:50am PT
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It's persistent an ongoing, Reilly. If you really think that liberals are uniformly supportive of Obama then you really don't pay attention to liberals. This is the kind of distortion that takes places when you get sucked into binary politics and mediacentric worldviews.
Likewise, where is the praise for Obama from hawkish Republicans for his consistent support for these expensive toys? It goes against the desired narrative so Republicans instead indict him for "dismantling" the military.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2015 - 07:55am PT
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Well, HD, I mainly wanted to see Norton and Crankloon's spin on why this is a laudable move
by the Obama Admin. I know they gotta appear to be strong on defense but I want to know
how this improves our national security, especially to the tune of $200 BILLION.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Dec 23, 2015 - 08:01am PT
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Hillary is from the Southern Democrats. Think, repeal of Glass-Steigal. Think, tool of Wall Street. Not liberal at all. Neo-Liberal, just like Thatcher and Reagan. No thank you.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2015 - 08:21am PT
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^^ I knew I could count on you to avoid a straight answer. Thanks! You do yer pres proud!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 23, 2015 - 08:22am PT
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You missed the answer, as usual. Sniff around to see what your Republican Congress thinks of the program. Then turm on any rightwing media source to hear them criticizing President Obama for "gutting the military".
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Dec 23, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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crankloon
Yuppie, white guy
No. Tahoe
Fixed it for you, crankloon
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2015 - 08:33am PT
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Is there any good reason not to just give him a straight answer (other than it not being a straight question)? An actual discussion is a lot more fun than this passive aggressive sibling stuff.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 23, 2015 - 08:34am PT
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10beornot10b, I'll be climbing and skiing Mt Rose Knob today...yuppie's ride lifts.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 23, 2015 - 08:40am PT
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An actual discussion is a lot more fun than this passive aggressive sibling stuff.
Yes, it is. Yet most of the regulars seem to prefer the low road.
Lead by example.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2015 - 09:01am PT
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Crankloon, yer reading comprehension is only dwarfed by yer integrity. I asked how $200 Billion
for a POS toy was going to improve our national security with the obvious corollary question
being how can an administration based on hope and change for the down-trodden
justify this? And just to give yer reading comprehension a leg up it isn't my Repub congress,
at least as far as I know. It's quite simple - they're in there because people didn't like the
alternative. Personally, I don't like any of 'em, much.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Dec 23, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 23, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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F. G. Sanford
November 27, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Hey, does anybody remember when that little Caribbean nation got fed up with its corrupt leaders? They kicked out all the pimps, thugs, organized criminals, corrupt military officers, drug dealers, profiteers and crooked politicians. Then, USA recruited as many of them as they could to try to kick out the reformist government – even though it reduced illiteracy, poverty, unemployment, infant mortality, drug addiction, crime, improved public health and increased life expectancy! But then, there was blowback. That same gang of criminals and murderers who failed to kick out that new government were recruited by terrorists to assassinate a President. Today, their ideological descendants are even participating in the current Presidential elections! I like to think of them as “Sons of Anti-castro Cuban Kennedy Assassination Secret HIT Team”. I’ll leave it to the readership to come up with an appropriate acronym – there obviously is one. Come on, Doc, we’re dealing with a government based on political assassination which operates as the world’s largest criminal enterprise. It may be too late to indict G.H.W. Bush for the JFK hit, but not for the JFK Jr. Hit or the Florida Election scam or the Ohio Election Scam. There is not EVEN ONE honst branch left in our government. Sadly, I’m pretty sure collapse is the only cure, and it seems more likely every day.
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 23, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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It's not crankloons fault he can't read. It's the teachers. (not) That's why when you say to him that he supports a lying, immoral, two faced woman with no integrity instead of an honest man who has integrity he calls you a Trump supporter. Hahaha! Maybe he hasn't heard of Bernie Sanders yet. Truly, ignorance running wild.
Tom Cochran, good point up there.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 23, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
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Keep it up, Redneck. You'll be joining the Ron Anderson Hall of Shame any day.
I'll miss your thoughtful and in-depth political analysis, though.
See, you're just a slightly deranged, rightwing extremist who likely surround himself with like-minded fellers like yourself.
As you'll find out soon, my political views are shared by a majority of voters. Your's will be rejected, thankfully.
"Group watched this link"????? Oh, man. Group watched this link....wow.
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