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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 17, 2011 - 01:47pm PT
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Democracy is a radical idea. Maybe we should try it.
Picking people to lead is easier then picking ideas or laws that work. Campaign finance reform is probably the best chance we have at fixing things.
People just don't have the time to study every issue. Even our politicians don't have the time to study every issue. I think that one thing that we should do is to slow down our law making so that there is more time to really look at things.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 17, 2011 - 01:51pm PT
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In retrospect, McClintock would have done a better job for California. There was no way to know that Arnold wanted to be loved by everyone and would only get tough on the budget during his last year.
Do you know how many Arnold-voters I talked to who played out the 'McClintock can't win even though I like him more'??? If all those people voted Tom, we'd be way better off today. Vote for what you believe, not what the media, pollsters, or party tells you. This is what really pisses me off!!!!
Cain is completely unprepared for the issues that would face him and 999 is no viable. Romney has made mistakes, he knows it, he is better prepared.
I keep hearing this crap, Fatty. It's Arnold all over again. Cain knows how to lead, especially in a financial crisis. Other issues he'd be confronted with are insignificant. That's what advisors, staff, and cabinet ministers are for.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 17, 2011 - 02:03pm PT
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Fatty, I have no evidence. But he does seem to lead pretty well and turn around failing entities.
I think an ideal ticket would be Cain/Gingrich. Let Cain run the show with insider input and guidance from a super-smart, experienced man like Newt.
I think that is a perfect ticket.
Wes, of course you hate McClintock.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 17, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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skip: I fail to see what isn't "fair" about a flat tax.
So, you do support raising taxes? Just not on the rich. Interesting.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Oct 17, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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^^^ WOW ^^^
Keep drinkin' brah.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 17, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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I think another rot on our system is that the more money you have, the better your chances of winning elected office.
This is why we suffer the current a-holes in office, the Senate, the House, and state-wide offices.
The best person doesn't win, the one with the most money does.
F*#ked up...
Easy there, cowboy. Above is my full quote.
It applies aptly to Obama too. And Pelosi, and Reid, and Boxer, and Feinstein.
It plays against honest family-men like Tom McClintock, Lt Col Allen West, and the honorable Herman Cain.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 17, 2011 - 02:28pm PT
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The AIPAC board.
This is why I love Tommy McClintock. He doesn't give a f*#k about Jews, Blacks, Whites, Dems, Repubs....
He just wants a system that runs within it's means, regardless of race/ethnicity/social class.
He is truly an ideal man of the people. Yes he IS conservative, but he doesn't really push social crap like abortion and religion. He is a great fiscal conservative. And he's f*#king smart about that shit!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 17, 2011 - 02:33pm PT
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Fatty...I assume you voted for Arnie , the gropenator...? Remember what a fiasco the last actor-governor became...? RJ
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 17, 2011 - 03:04pm PT
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McClintock is a career politician and a carpet bagger. Yeah Bluey I didn't say he told people to crap on cars he told them to disrupt public meetings. That's not as bad but they both cross the line of civil democracy to being an ahole. And he does push his social conservatism on the rest of us. Believe what you want to believe but when you push your views into law that affect someone else you don't truly understand freedom and equality.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Oct 17, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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i'll never be one of the 1%, and i'm absolutely fine with that
i'll never be on of the 99%, and i'm absolutely proud of that
here's one for the rest of us:
http://the53.tumblr.com/archive
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Gary
climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
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Oct 17, 2011 - 03:21pm PT
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You may not think it raises enough money. You may not like a lot of things.
But, you don't get to make up your own definitions of what fair means and claim everyone who doesn't agree is "unfair."
Who said anything about fair? The flat tax, or at least the proposals I've read and heard, will raise taxes on the working poor.
So, is that a tax increase you support?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 17, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
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Yeah Bluey I didn't say he told people to crap on cars he told them to disrupt public meetings. That's not as bad but they both cross the line of civil democracy to being an ahole. And he does push his social conservatism on the rest of us. Believe what you want to believe but when you push your views into law that affect someone else you don't truly understand freedom and equality.
Do you have any context into this before you slander him? Links?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 17, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
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^^^ so am I
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 17, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
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In theory I'm ok with a voter education test. In practice, I don't think it is a good idea.
However, I am very much opposed to all these "Get Out the Vote" public service drives.
If you are paying attention, you should be fed up enough to vote. If you aren't, Please, Please, stay home.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 17, 2011 - 07:00pm PT
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Fatty; “ McClintock (scared the crap out of him when I mentioned the AIPAC board)”
Probably too scared since there is/are an investigation[s] going on with Congressional Ethics Committee against the funding of Congressional trips to Israel by the American Israel Education Fund, an affiliate of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
From their tax returns, it is clear that AIPAC pays the salaries of staff at AIEF, meaning that a lobbying group is paying to organize Congressional trips supposedly organized by a nonprofit group in violation of Congressional travel guidelines prohibiting lobbyist- sponsored travel.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 17, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Fatty
I am sure you know how the dark money is distributed: Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, a roof group set up solely to coordinate the efforts of some 52 national Jewish organizations on behalf of Israel.
Corruption one of the things about this thread. Just like the other things that will never go away that we seek: drugs,alcohol,tobacco,prostitution and greed.
Or as the old saying goes: sex, drugs and rock and roll. Ah! Climbing of course.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Oct 17, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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Tell us again Fats how "many boots on the ground" troops did Teddy Roosevelt send into Morocco.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 17, 2011 - 09:31pm PT
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Tell us again how taxing internet sales would raise 700 billion dollars to pay for Medicare
what a dumb fuk
$15,000 Obama beats any 13th century evolution denying dumb ass Republican in 2012
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