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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Jul 19, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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This thread is awesome! Experts born by clicking on links.
If only I could become such an expert I know I would kick Honnolds ass in climbing simply by being an internet expert!
Watch out dude...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 19, 2010 - 12:25am PT
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it's not the clicking on links that brings knowledge, but reviewing the content that the links bring.
And, if you can figure out how to get strong sitting at a computer, then by gosh, click away!
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 19, 2010 - 01:30am PT
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"Experts born by clicking on links."
Nobody's expert.
But I like learning stuff.
I remember following McKinney and watching his foot work on skis.
When I step into a room I count how many 120 outlets in it immediately :-)
I like being hyper observant .....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 19, 2010 - 10:33am PT
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"When I step into a room I count how many 120 outlets in it immediately :-)
I like being hyper observant" .....
Werner, I knew I liked you for some reason.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 19, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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when you get people's attention on these things, a lot ask, well how many people would have to be in on it in order to pull it off? how come it hasn't leaked out yet?
check that denver post article up there.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 19, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
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What that Denver Post (actually, it's a WA PO article) shows is that:
1. There is an enormous clusterf*#k of intelligence agencies that is overloaded with info and in all likelihood, probably couldn't even work together to get a pair of shoes tied.
It states over and over again that there appears to be a lack of coordination and info sharing.
2. These agencies and enormous budgets were created after 9/11.
But I'm sure you guys think this is definitive proof that The They was behind it all. If anything, I'm less fearful of The They after reading this.
My main concern is that we are probably wasting an enormous amount of money and probably not really getting good results (i.e., increased public safety).
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 19, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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No, what we can be sure of for sure Dirtbag is that you have an enormous faith in the media and agencies no mater who's reporting.
You'll take that faith and make and add a lot of your own assumptions on top of that.
You should be involved in some disaster scenario some time and see how they really half ass get everything barely right and most of it wrong by the reporting media.
There a lot of other factors also that I'm actually not at liberty to divulge here about what goes on in the background that never makes it to media.
You're just another armchair Monday night quarterback with no real world experience .....
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 19, 2010 - 12:17pm PT
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No, what we can be sure of for sure Dirtbag is that you have an enormous faith in the media and agencies no mater who's reporting.
You'll take that faith and make and add a lot of your own assumptions on top of that.
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You're just another armchair Monday night quarterback with no real world experience .....
Blah, blah ,blah Werner.
No assumptions there...
Do you ever get tired of knowing everything?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jul 19, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
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As K-man has pointed out for Flight 93 - the lack of debris, and not existance of any large parts of a plane.
Lack of debris, gentlemen?
The EPA released pics revealing two significant debris fields, before pieces were cleaned up for analysis. But you're right about few LARGE pieces. When an aircraft goes nose first (45 degrees) into the ground at 480 miles an hour, few massive pieces are expected in the remains. One engine was found 25 feet deep in the earth, another hundreds of yards way. The largest piece of the fuselage found was a few feet square. The EPA claims to have collected over 90% of the craft mostly in small pieces.
Flight recorders were also found, and cabin recordings of male voices reciting Islamic prayers. Two individuals claim to have seen the plane coming steeply toward the ground. Many saw the smoke plume. Relatives of flight 93 passengers failed to see their loved ones again.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jul 19, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
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not definitive proof at all, DB, but an indication of something pretty powerful holding it all together, against all normalcy. fact of the matter is, the only "threat" has been what we supposedly got is 9/11, and a few weak echoes, notably the london subway incident and the so-called shoe bomber which, when you look at them, are equally suspect. you probably don't pay much attention to such things. there really isn't any genuine terrorism taking place among the little people of the world. they know damn well they don't have a chance, and real zeal for martyrdom seems to have dried up because, face it, modern life ain't all that bad.
jennie, that's all well and good, but a lot of us don't trust that information. photos of the site in pennsylvania are ridiculous, and the press was kept from getting too close. jetliners don't "disappear into the ground"--and then leave "debris fields". the silly little mushroom cloud we've been shown also looks pretty suspicious. several pennsylvanians reported seeing a warthog fighter jet quite close to the ground at the time. the warthog is an unmistakable thing, a flying swiss army knife of ordnance for hitting a variety of targets under a variety of circumstances. reports for the first few years were that the debris field was spread over 8 miles of pennsylvania countryside. now i see we're getting it wrestled into "two significant debris fields". we could ask them to get out a tape measure, but i see it's all been cleaned up. you make the announcement after you do that, so much less to prove that way.
bottom line? shot down out of the air by our own air force, for whatever reason. i guess the public is too baby to handle the emotions connected with all that.
simple math? you have to count up to 3: that other wtc building that fell at freefall speed, but without the requisite airplane.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 19, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
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there really isn't any genuine terrorism taking place among the little people of the world. they know damn well they don't have a chance, and real zeal for martyrdom seems to have dried up because, face it, modern life ain't all that bad.
Suicide bombing victims in Iraq, Afghansitan, Uganda, Israel, and Packistan might beg to differ.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Jul 20, 2010 - 12:56am PT
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werner
Nobody's expert.
But I like learning stuff.
I remember following McKinney and watching his foot work on skis.
When I step into a room I count how many 120 outlets in it immediately :-)
I like being hyper observant .....
All good stuff. Now think about what motivates people. Find that and you will understand more than you thought possible. For as KB sai,d follow the money, this thread is perhaps more about insecurity within ones self than it is about 911.....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 20, 2010 - 01:06am PT
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When I step into a room I count how many 120 outlets in it immediately :-) I like being hyper observant ..... If there are 120 outlets, why do you need to count them? To make sure there aren't 119 or 121?
And if you meant 120 volt outlets, how can you be sure they're that type without more than visual assessment?
Werner will soon nominate me for rascaldom. Or at least I'll have to go to the car.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 20, 2010 - 01:12am PT
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Never Forget. Just follow the money.
Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY b4/9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo
Things to think about . . .
Please someone tell me, just how did 19 Saudi hi-jackers, "AL-CIA-DUH," with box-cutter knives pull this off?
Just how did they know to pull this off on the very day that many War Games throughout the DoD, and some even enacting this very same hi-jacking scenerio and slamming planes into buildings, were happening?
How did they know to do that?
And just how did they know to slam AA Flight 77 into the Pentagon just where they re-inforced it, and exactly where the finance office that was investigating the missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars that just went missing? How does 2.3 Trillion just go missing?
Wake-up.
MIHOP
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 20, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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I have 48 outlets in my room.
In the private sector if you lose 2.3 Trillion Dollars you will be made into sausage and sold over the counter to your unsuspecting family members.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 20, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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48 outlets in the Werner-cave!? Wow! That's amazing. Though there is a lot of electronic stuff in there.
Just don't turn everything on at once - it might blow every breaker in the Valley.
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jul 20, 2010 - 08:25am PT
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In the clip, those that witnessed the explosions were IN THE BUILDINGS. Or, did you miss that important point? So... These people where in the buildings when the explosions went off causing it to immediately collapse, but they made it out to tell the news about this?
Yea... That makes perfect sense. To an idiot!
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Jul 20, 2010 - 08:29am PT
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Personally, I find it odd that nobody bothered to test that molten stuff.
I'm sure you do, since you likely never thought of what it would require to dig through tons of unstable material, shoring it up all along the way, while being protected form noxious gases, to get a sample of what was burning.
Again... Makes perfect sense, when you don't think about it, or are just an idiot, as evidenced by:So hot was it at the top of the Towers, that it caused explosions in the basement. Your inability to read and comprehend what she said, as that's NOT what she said.
Or:In plane view in the rooms exposed due to the collapse are books, wooden desks, and other things that burn easily. No real fire scorching on the building. Yet, the fire was said to be hot enough to vaporize the plane's engines. 1) The fire in the Pentagon didn;t have the same O2 available to it that the fires in the WTC did, as again, floors of windows out above and below the fires allow for convection pull air in through the bottom and expell it out the top (air flow). Why does O2 matter? Look at a fire triangle. So, the fires were way less intense.
2) The engines were not destroyed by the fires, they were destroyed by smashing into a hardnened re-inforced structure at 500 MPH. (kinetic energy, something that Jolly also seems unaware of)
You may wish to read this, although I'm certain that you will NOT understand it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10626367
You may want to read it too, Jolly.
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