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WBraun
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:12am PT
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"Self critical thought seems so rare."
Like yours and dirtbags.
You guys bring nothing to the table except bullsh'it.
You're worse ......
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:20am PT
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I maybe wrong Warner, its a possibility. Will you admit its a possibility that God doesn't exist or that 911 conspiracies are bunk? I don't trust anyone who claims to know truth.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:38am PT
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Rok-there are volumes written analyzing the WTC building failures. I guess all the engineers and scientists who studied this and wrote those articles may be dumb, or brainwashed, or part of the conspiracy of misdirection and lies. But, maybe not.
edit: why am I reading this thread?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:42am PT
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Werner wrote,
"I never said they faked. (slightly edited to keep from fanning the flames of war )
I always said they didn't go there." ( there being the moon )
Werner, I remember you talking previously about us not actually going to the moon, something about the moon not being the moon, or some such thought.
Would you clarify this? Where did we go? What do you call the moon?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:49am PT
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In answer to my question, Klimmer has told us that he doesn't know why, but God has chosen Hebrew and King James English to reveal Himself and His Bible codes. The next obvious question then is why are so many missionaries putting so much effort into translating the Bible into all the languages of the world? Why don't they just make their converts learn English first? And of course we should be forcing all English speaking Christians to be learning Hebrew too, right?
Then another question arises. When we get to Heaven, does this mean we will all be speaking King James English and Hebrew? And the people in hell will get to speak in their own original languages, maybe as a consolation for being there in the first place?
And final question. If English is the language of truth and revelation and English and Hebrew speakers are the chosen people, then why get upset with earthly events at all? Just by being born into an English speaking country, we're already half way there. Why sweat the small stuff like government conspiracies?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2009 - 12:52am PT
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Karl B.,
I've always said we should do both. Whether you approach it from a physics point of view and it being impossible to have happened as the OCT says it happened, or you follow the crime of motive, means, and opportunity, it all points to MIHOP.
We need to do both. Pick the easy low fruit and harvest the physically impossible to have happened by jets alone. It all points to 9-11-01 being an inside job.
The book, Crossing the Rubicon so many years ago sent me on the path to 9-11 truth. Still a great read. We really do have so much evidence it is overwhelming.
To everyone,
To me God through his word confirms it. The passage I shared is not the only Bible Code regarding 9-11. Not even close. There are a considerable amount in God's word.
It would be nice to bring it all together in one post and see what all has been found and what it all says.
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Jan,
You are misrepresenting what I said. Who knows if Bible Code exists in other translations. It has to be looked into and someone has to do that work. So far, as far as I know it hasn't been found in another. Have all translations been tested and accounted for? I do not know. That is an honest answer.
I speculated that maybe that God is putting his stamp of approval on the original Hebrew and the famous King James translation. I do not know for sure if that is it only and there is not any more.
I believe the Book of Enoch to be the word of God even though it is not considered canon. I specualte that it also has Bible Code throughout. My hypothesis is yes, it probably does. It would be good to do this test for all the apocrypha books and see. I suspect that some of them would pass the test.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:59am PT
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Karl,
Nothing about the march to Baghdad was a secret, it was a simple political brow-beating of cowardly democrats supported by a couple of intel fabrications and manipulations that only had to last long enough to scare opposition politicians. There is no valid parallel whatsoever in that to the level of multi-agency orchestration and choreography that would be required to execute on a domestic version of 9/11.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:00am PT
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Port -- "I don't trust anyone who claims to know truth."
That means you claim to know the truth.
Why should we trust you.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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I posted this reference in the other thread... what is says in plain language is that the original "Bible Code" analysis published in Statistical Science had an analysis that was flawed and basically only uncovered what was put into it... this is relatively subtle, so the original study was not necessarily fraudulent, but the improved analysis did not detect anything beyond random coincidence.
So there is no message encoded in the Bible that hasn't been put there by the people trying to decode it...
...there is no statistical evidence that the "messages" are not any better than you'd expect from random gathering of words. The "interpretation" of these messages are like reading your horoscope in the daily newspaper, they are so general as to be applicable to a very large range of possible "events" as the reader so chooses to read them. There is no predictability in the horoscope, there is none in the Bible code.
You are only getting out what you put in...
This completes the T5 status of this thread...
http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?service=UI&version=1.0&verb=Display&handle=euclid.ss/1009212243
Solving the Bible Code Puzzle
Brendan McKay, Dror Bar-Natan, Maya Bar-Hillel, and Gil Kalai
Source: Statist. Sci. Volume 14, Number 2 (1999), 150-173.
Abstract
A paper of Witztum, Rips and Rosenberg in this journal in 1994 made the extraordinary claim that the Hebrew text of the Book of Genesis encodes events which did not occur until millennia after the text was written. In reply, we argue that Witztum, Rips and Rosenberg’s case is fatally defective, indeed that their result merely reflects on the choices made in designing their experiment and collecting the data for it. We present extensive evidence in support of that conclusion. We also report on many new experiments of our own, all of which failed to detect the alleged phenomenon.
Keywords: Equidistant letter sequences; ELS; Bible code; Torah code; data tuning; data selection
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:15am PT
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Thanks for the link Ed. Occam's razor seems applicable here.
"When competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities while still sufficiently answering the question"
How many entities are involved in the cover up?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:23am PT
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Posting in a "9/11 truth can't be stopped and yet here is a thread about how it was stopped" thread.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:23am PT
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I'd think that by definition, in this case, the above quote SUPPORTS some non-nineteen-Saudi-box-cutter-banditos hypothesis.
I'm no expert in any field dealing with the day of 911, but I'd be willing to debate scenarios in accordance with the quote limitations. Just for fun and all...
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:33am PT
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Rok - maybe it is just what a bunch of structural engineers think, but I bet your car started and ran the last time you sat in it and turned the key and I bet the computer you are typing your ST response on works pretty well and I bet the last time you drove over a big bridge it didn't fall down. Design and analysis today is very sophisticated (that was not so true in 1965 when the WTC buildings were designed) and you are surrounded by examples of the "thoughts" of structural engineers and mechanical engineers and computer engineers etc. that turn into a pretty amazing and working reality.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:33am PT
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Come on Werner. How about answering my questions from post 101. Or will curiosity kill the moose? haha..
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:41am PT
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Charlie Sheen and now Richard Gere???
Sheesh! Price of foil is going up!
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:45am PT
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Good tip ed:
I'm stocking up for the next wide fest....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 15, 2009 - 01:53am PT
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#1 defense for not looking at the facts surrounding the events of 9/11:
The government couldn't carry it out.
Why look at the facts when you already know the answer?
BTW, Charlie Sheen isn't the only one on this. Here's a couple of lists, folks you can't call whackos:
Architects and Engineers for Truth:
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Pentagon officials, CIA officials, NSA officials, etc.
Read this, then call them Whackos.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/Counterterrorism_Veterans.pdf
Here's just one guy who speaks out:
Raymond McGovern, 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired
National Intelligence Estimates during the 1970’s. ...
During his 27-year CIA career, McGovern personally delivered
intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George
H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials.
Yeah, this guy is a real whacko.
Or, read the eyewitness account from Lt. Col. Karen
Kwiatkowski, PhD of the NSA on page three.
Go ahead, educate yourself, if you dare.
PS. Funny how it's the same fold who are so vehemently opposed to looking at the 9/11 facts that about a year ago were saying that global warming was a hoax...
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 15, 2009 - 02:03am PT
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The steel only portion of the Madrid building collapsed down to the concrete technical floor due to fire only. This building had a concrete core which saved it from further collapse.
Why is it so hard to think that a steel only building can't collapse due to fire?
Rokjox, you are a complete idiot to think that a skyscraper could fall over. Show me a skyscraper that has fallen over!
Is this how you think it should have happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtb5Vndo2g
Amazing you are so ignorant Rokjox after eight years. WTC 7 was the identical tube in tube design as the towers further complicated by being built over an electrical substation and northside columns on cantilevers.
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S.Powers
Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Sep 15, 2009 - 02:04am PT
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