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Wrathchild
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Jul 27, 2005 - 01:47pm PT
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IMO there is a difference between calling for a rescue, and accepting help from someone who comes to you. I did not mean to imply that I would send someone away who was offering help on scene if I need it, but I would not summon them. I'm not up there for the view, I'm looking for God.
I am in the mountains with the purpose of finding a good death. We all die someday, I have no wish to be elderly. I wish I had been more daring in my youth, as my middle age is proving to be quite disappointing.
While sitting at the bar drinking with Warren Harding, I saw all I needed to see about growing old. I eat more than Bananas and carrots, so I'm not going to be as healthy as Tom Frost at his age.
A climber named Gary was known to have said that nature hadn't done it's job and killed him, so he blew his brains out with a .357 on the shore of Jenny lake.
So if I break my back, kick me the rest of the way down, so the coyote can eat well that evening.
Some people will never understand what I am talking about, but some do.
And I have refused a rescue off the Captain before, so shut yer yap.
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Wrathchild
climber
right behind you
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Jul 27, 2005 - 02:21pm PT
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Wow, has it really been 12 years. Getting old sucks.
So anybody have the report on the conclusion of that event?
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Jul 27, 2005 - 02:27pm PT
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Nice job AngryT! Assuming these are the facts, which I do, I would be disappointed to learn that this guy is still working as an LEO Ranger. What's the scoop?
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Matthew Gelber
Social climber
Tahoe
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Jul 27, 2005 - 02:40pm PT
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Marty Z is a nice fella, he was a SAR tech back when I was on Tuolumne SAR around 93-94. I think (might be wrong here) he was in charge of Tuolumne SAR for a while after Dave left in 95. He knows his stuff, if I had all my ropes cut on El Cap I'd be happy if the guy lowered down to save me was him. So go easy...
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jul 27, 2005 - 03:51pm PT
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I don't believe that "Kim" ever actually did what was in that missive, and if he did--which is a clear breaking of various laws, including purjury--it's not legally possible for him to end up anywhere but in jail. If true, surely his superiors would never simply shine this on, seeming that they would never let a civilian get away with a lie of this magnitude, mobilizing all those forces over a fiction.
If this is true, it's totally beyond me to understand, as I'm sure it is for other LEO's who surely would look at this and be amazed.
I'de have to see proof that something this absurd ever took place.
JL
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 27, 2005 - 04:30pm PT
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My earlier pissed off comments were in response to AngryT's remarks about M. Ziebell only!
As far as Aufhauser goes I knew him and worked with him and never had a problem. After that shooting thing I saw him again and never asked him about it because it was none of my business. He went through whatever with that and it was his problem why would I have to make it my business then.
Same with Lober, I see him just about every day and I don't ask him about this bull-shit here because it's not my problem nor my business. If he wants to talk about it he’ll tell me otherwise none of my business what happened in the past. It’s his problem!
Why are you guys so happy to make it your business. Lets make all the stupid ass sh-it you did in your past our business here.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Jul 27, 2005 - 04:31pm PT
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John, in the same type of bureaucratic mindset (rea idiocy) that motivatated numerous regional bishops to continually reassign priests accused of child molesttation.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jul 27, 2005 - 04:37pm PT
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Hey, Warner, I brought up the shot-my-own-self-and-lied-about-it topic not intending to start smearing folks I don't know and don't much care about, but because I thought the entire thing was a lie and a flame. I can't imagine any business, public or private, where someone could get away with it.
But Can't Say, you're exactly right. I still live in an idealized world. Imagine if, as a private citizen, you shot yourself or diddled the aler boy then lied about it and so forth and so on. You or I would fry, and rightly so.
But Warner's is also right in that I've done things that should have landed me in Sing Sing, but we won't go there thank you very much . . .
JL
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hhhhhhhhh
climber
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Jul 27, 2005 - 05:42pm PT
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Mr Braun,
With all due respect (and I do mean that) I must disagree with your post. Police, rangers, etc MUST be held to a higher standard then the rest of us. We give them powers to violate our civil rights, throw us in jail, and even kill us. For these powers they have, they must be responsible for the use of these powers.
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Jul 27, 2005 - 06:27pm PT
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Angry T: "How many years have you been a LEO Ziebell? Something tells me he is a boot. In the Marine Corp we'd call him a FNG. I was on SAR in 2000 and I don't remember you in the meadow then. You talking outta your ass..."
By 2000 I had been away from YOSE for two years. I was there from 94 through 98.
"You say you where a SAR tech - BFD." So at best you where a SAR site'r. Get over yourself."
Well, I think Matt Gelber cleared this up in his post although it was 1997 that I was TM SAR coordinator.
"Most of the hasty responses we did was lost kids and dehydration (in which any WOOFER could handle)."
You're right. Like most EMS calls anywhere. Only occasionally does the sh*t hit the fan, then it's nice to have a little more training and experience and help.
And I'm pretty well over myself, thanks...
M. Ziebell
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Angry T, you posted the Morning Report piece regarding Kim Aufhauser. Now where does it say Kim shot himself?
This is one of the longest running myths around. I never worked with Kim but those who did are unanimous in praise for his abilities and character. It's a shame that you and others insist on perpetuating a smear campaign against him based on heresay. The facts are neatly stated in the piece you posted. The only piece missing is that his assailant was never caught.
Self-inflicted gunshot wounds are pretty easy to diagnose. The FBI report stated quite clearly that the rounds that struck Kim could NOT have been self-inflicted.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 27, 2005 - 06:33pm PT
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hhhhhhhhhh, They SHOULD be, but reality differs from theory.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 27, 2005 - 06:45pm PT
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Well rightly so Mr all h’s, I agree.
But we aren’t the guys who are the judge jury and police on these matters either. This place can be a total lynch mob at times and by whom? By anonymous authors. My argument had nothing to do with law enforcement and civilian ethics. It was purely based on the human level. This whole thread is mostly a personal flame fest on individuals under the guise of the flamer’s holier than thou attitude and personal antagonisms. This bullshit has been beat to death about good cops and bad cops, good priests and bad priests. Who’s really good here?
I call hypocrisy by the flamers here!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 27, 2005 - 07:15pm PT
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Rokjox, my understanding (admittedly secondhand) is that Aufhauser was practicing drawing his backup .22 when the accidental discharge occured.
Practicing one's draw is actually an important part of weapons training as it develops "muscle memory". IPSC shooters sometimes spend a half hour drawing and "dry shooting" with snap caps to prepare for matches.
Apparently there were unexplained inconsistensies in the evidence, powder residue, vest/uniform shot alignment, etc.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
on a rock or mountain out west
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Jul 27, 2005 - 07:31pm PT
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"A California Highway Patrol helicopter with infrared capability and about 50 rangers (including a Western Region special event team) and officers from local jurisdictions will be deployed at first light. Hunter Sharp is the incident commander. Aufhauser is currently a seasonal law enforcement ranger at Yosemite, but worked for a number of years as a permanent law enforcement ranger there in the past."
Any idea how much (albeit in 1993 dollars) this would have cost taxpayers? The chopper search alone would be in the thousands....and fifty rangers? Geez. Anyone know if they made Aufhauser reimburse the government for the cost of the search when it was determined he made it up to cover up his own accidental shooting?
Also, it's worth noting in the last part it says he was a seasonal LEO. That deputizing seasonal rangers to carry a gun and badge for a few busy tourist months went on for years but I believe starting this year (2005), seasonal rangers are no longer allowed to be employed in LEO capacity. They don't have the same level of training or knowlege and there were too many incidents where that inexperience was causing more problems than good.
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Wrathchild
climber
right behind you
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Jul 27, 2005 - 07:53pm PT
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I'm with Klaus on this one. I remember hearing that Aufhauser admitted it. Why else would they call off the search for an attempted cop killer. As far as they are concerned that is the most heinous crime in creation, they wouldn't just stop looking.
And all the events relavant to the original post are not just Lobo's past. They are shared events between him and the parties he arrested or otherwise interacted with.
I have broken laws, usually the same ones over and over(cough, cough/ snore, snore), but I never did anything to make someone mad at me, or wronged anyone. There is no one for me to ask forgiveness from.
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Jul 27, 2005 - 08:01pm PT
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"Kim Aufhauser ADMITTED shooting himself and called off the search for the "assailant". Why you are pretending this didn't happen is way beyond me. You're a liar just like Aufhauser."
Wow! You calling me a liar, Klaus? (Obviously you are)
Well, I arrived in TM the year after the incident, I saw the investigative report, I talked with many of the folks directly involved, and I've met Kim. Not once did anyone mention that 1) Kim had called off the search as you claim or 2) that he admitted to shooting himself. So, I'm not going to call you a liar, just misinformed. If you can pass along some other information that I'm not familiar with I'm ready to listen. Slandering a fellow like Aufhauser doesn't win you many points on this forum though.
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And " I'm with Klaus on this one. I remember hearing that Aufhauser admitted it."
Well, golly, I remember hearing that to. So that makes it true??? Come on you guys!
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Matthew Gelber
Social climber
Tahoe
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Jul 27, 2005 - 08:15pm PT
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You would have to have balls the size of cantaloupes to shoot yourself, bulletproof vest or no. If the rumour is true (and I don't believe it is): mad props.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 27, 2005 - 08:40pm PT
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Probably easier to shoot yourself accidentally then take off vest and uniform top, lay it over a log, shoot it twice then don it again.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 27, 2005 - 09:52pm PT
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this outside article *gag* does mention it a bit: http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0695/6f_park.html
Keith continues. "Another ranger shot himself and said some criminal did it. They had a massive manhunt, closed down the park. Everybody knows he shot himself, but nobody did anything. I don't think he's here anymore."
Whew! And you wonder what inspires Park Boy's nightmares. Verifying Keith's tales would rob me of valuable toilet-swabbing time, but I can tell you that the last rumor is based on events of July 1993, when ranger Kim Aufhauser received a flesh wound in one of his legs during a still-unsolved episode that launched an ultimately fruitless manhunt. The search for his assailant involved 180 rangers and local cops and required clearing more than 1,000 visitors from a 53-square-mile area.
As Keith tells it, Aufhauser was an über-ranger, able to levitate up sheer cliffs, wingshoot mosquitoes with a pistol, and eat rocks. He was forever campaigning for rangers to be equipped with automatic weapons and FBI-style protective gear. Fearing that his pleas were falling on deaf ears, he allegedly decided to dramatize the rangers' plight by staging a criminal attack and wounding himself. After the incident, he left the Park Service, but among Yosemite worker bees, he'll live forever--fairly or not--as an eerie symbol of ranger "enthusiasm."
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