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Mimi
climber
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Piton Ron already coined that one. Sorry, maybe next time.
© edit: Don't want any © violations around here. I missed the P.R. credit.
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chuey
climber
Ca.
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"Piton Ron already coined that one"
Yeah, I was quoting him.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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"When a thing is known by a few and a basic (not the speculative "why" of it all), these-are-the-facts breakdown is not responsibly disclosed in a reasonable time, a strange and persistent kind of pressure exerts itself. Like it or hate it, that force will eventually flush the truth out into the open.
Against this anxious force it is useless to argue, moralize, judge, show your teeth, name call, weep, be philosophical, be rational, humaniastic, nasty, callous, selfish, altruistic, and all the rest. The truth doesn't care about feelings or personal positions - so we have to. We have to do the heavy lifting, come to grips with the thing, not as private affair, but as a community tragedy, and let it be over.
Till this affair is openly and honestly discussed, different threads will keep bursting up here and elsewhere, speculation will run rampant, people will talk sh#t, crucify each other openly or passive-agressively - till the truth be finally known.
It is a sad business that for most of us, our only intimate contact with Woody will be through a report on his death. I believe it's more than a morbid or "selfish" streak that drives folks to want this last contact. It's a kind of a send off of souls - imperfect, but strangely transcendent as well. It's as though, retroactively, all of the climbing world can be there for his last moment here on the Third Stone from the Sun."
John, from a climbing perspective I am KNOTT worthy to clean your shoes. But I do not undestand your point. People are hurting, the lesson should be obvious. Let it rest. Peace.
John Penca
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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None of this seems morbid. More like impatient.
People, the choice of when or why isn't yours to demand. Suck it up and chill.
Children nowadays.
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Rudder
Trad climber
Santa Rosa, CA
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klk wrote to John Long: ""Just frickin do it, if it is your genuine judgment that it's needed.""
Uh, maybe you missed the part about John recieving this information in =confidence=.
At this point, no matter what happened, it can't live up to all this drama that has been created.
Might as well go outside and have some fun like Pud said. :)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Trust me.
When the details are fully disclosed this hubub will seem foolish indeed.
Give it a rest.
If you want to truly pay your respects, then do a Woody Check on every pitch you climb.
(Hell, I even do it when soloing!)
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72hw
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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Well said Ron - indeed many will feel sheepish about their insistence once the full story is told.... or at least I hope they will.
And the Woody Check? Odd how such things work their way into personal vocabularies without popular discussion. Just the other day atop a pitch in Hidden Valley I found myself saying that exact thing to myself as I went through the motions!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I think looking down at your harness checking for your Woody might lead to some misunderstandings.
Of course, Woody might appreciate going down in history like that.
;-)
Karl
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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That was my whole point in coining the term.
Maybe in years to come Woody Checks can save countless lives.
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WBraun
climber
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Doesn't work that way in real life ....
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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this thread is just further evidence of the deterioration of the "coolness" factor around here- used to be petty darn diff. from that other forum, now not so much.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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LEB-
get off this forum.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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graniteclimber....nuke this thread, its obviously not what you intended.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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fair enough, i just dont see any "accident analysis" here! just a continuation of previous threads.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2009 - 12:28am PT
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" i just dont see any "accident analysis" here! just a continuation of previous threads."
But it is here and not in the other thread. This thread has functioned as intended in that. But I didn't think it would be as long and that there would be as much anger (on both "sides.")
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Upper Fupa, North Dakota
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...and the snowball slowly starts to roll downhill...
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monolith
Trad climber
Berkeley
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"I am reasonably sure he DID "check" whatever he was suppose to check. "
You are totally clueless LEB.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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waiting until there was something to talk about?
just a thought...
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