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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:02pm PT
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So I guess that you aren't going to answer my question and just continue this silly rant.
Here is who you wanted for president.
"Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." --John McCain in the Sept./Oct. issue of Contingencies, who was on the Senate Banking committee which helped oversee our current crises. This is who Skip wanted to be president.
This quote of John McCain especially cracks me up.
""[Sarah Palin] knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America. ... And, uh, she also happens to represent, be governor of a state that's right next to Russia." --after being asked about Sarah Palin's foreign policy experience, interview with WCSH-6, Portland, OR, Sept. 12, 2008
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the end...... unless you actually answer my question.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
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No Skip, you did not. YOu just said read the budget. That is not an answer. What in the budget are you talking about?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
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And here's just a very few from the MORON you voted in to office.
Top 10 stupid things George Bush has said:
1"It's your money. You paid for it."
2"One of the great things about books is sometimes there are fantastic pictures."
3"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your questions."
4"It's clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
5"The great thing about America is everybody should vote."
6"I'm sure you can imagine it's an unimaginable honour to live here."
7"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
8"And yes, we're always interested in dealing with people who have harmed American citizens."
9"I don't know whether I'm going to win or not. I think I am. I do know I'm ready for the job. And if not, that's just the way it goes."
10"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and you don't do it that's trustworthiness."
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:09pm PT
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Cop out.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:14pm PT
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Skip.. arguing with you is a fools process. I didn't say I didn't see any deficit spending. I see it. YOu made the statement that he has committed us to more spending then in all the history of America. I asked you to prove that. My guess is that you can't, unless you are talking about social security. So I asked you if you would close social security.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:31pm PT
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Take a deep breath skip. You have lost it. You put words into my mouth. I didn't say that there wasn't deficit spending in the current budget. I said that I couldn't see how that deficit spending amounted to more then any deficit that we have had since george washington.
On a year to year basis, certainly it will be the largest deficit. But taken from the prospective of the total national debt which you allude to by saying all the total deficit, it won't be. We are currently almost 11 trillion dollars in debt. That 11 trillion was inherited by Obama. George Bush oversaw adding almost 6 trillion to that national debt.
As for year to year budgets. Obama inherited a big problem. He isn't going to be able to balance the yearly budget his first year in office. He inherited too big of a problem.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 03:35pm PT
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Skip wrote,
"Barack Obama got the job and has proposed more spending in his first month of office then the combined total of all federal spending since George Washington (the first George.)
He eclipsed Pres. Bush's budget in only 1 week of being in office. "
That is what I was responding to. "combined total federal spending since george washington." That is a huge number and nothing in Obama's budget remotely comes close.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2009 - 04:02pm PT
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Actually skip, you said it was more then all federal spending since george washington.
Your words.
""Barack Obama got the job and has proposed more spending in his first month of office then the combined total of all federal spending since George Washington (the first George.) "
You did not say larger then all deficits since george washington, which might be closer to the truth but can't be true since his deficit for this year is projected to be 1.5 trillion and we are 11 trillion dollars in debt.
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Avishai
Mountain climber
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Mar 14, 2009 - 04:03pm PT
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Nobody cares if republican support is falling off after 7 weeks of the new administration! All but the most ignorant republicans know that the president is right when he says, "my administration has inherited a fiscal disaster." The cronies ran out of town in January caused the chasm between the rich and the poor to be so vast, we’ll likely never recover or have any chance to make a bridge. The fact that “George W. Bush left behind a trillion-dollar budget deficit, a 14-month recession and a broken financial system,” should not be forgotten. Any hope of bipartisan cooperation? As the wagons (Escalades and Hummers) circle around the Great Rush Limbaugh in preparation for his Ascension to their throne, that chasm is deep and wide.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Mar 14, 2009 - 04:04pm PT
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I think what you both are expressing is a frustration with the level of government spending, with no end in sight, and seems to me now is the time when we have to reach across the aisle and shake hands. Work togather for change, for the benefit of our nation if for nothing else, or we will just continue to bicker as if collaspes around us. Obama represents hope, and he is our president now. Why not join behind him and try to affect change for the better, America first- party second?
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 14, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
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Mark Steyn? Somebody actually brought that wanker up on this thread?
Sheesh. But then I guess some minds think alike, and some people do not have a mind, such as Mark Steyn. Who next? Charles Krauthammer? Ann Coulter? Mickey Mouse?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 14, 2009 - 05:32pm PT
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Ann Coulter is in a different league that Steyn.
Steyn is legit, Ann's a showboater.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 14, 2009 - 08:20pm PT
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LEB -- "No one has all the answers or even a small part of them."
That's not true, and can be proven absolutely.
There's one guy around who has all the answers perfect including all the small parts.
I guarantee it ...
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 14, 2009 - 08:29pm PT
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So you already know, why not study under him and learn the real facts.
Don't be shy ......
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 14, 2009 - 08:53pm PT
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Oh yes you do, there's no escape ....
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Mar 14, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
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I can't believe that I am actually responding to LEB; however, IT is messed up.
1. He believes the poor are oppressed by the wealthy and does not buy into the concept that one is wealthy or poor secondary to effort.
So you dont think that a poor black child such as himself, who grew up in a mixed race home and got himself through the best schools on his own sheer effort and hard work means anything? While Bush had everything going for him?
2. Obama fundamentally hates the military and the war machine. He has no use for it and will try to disarm it to whatever extent is reasonable.
I have worked for the military for 9 years, I think I have a better understanding than most because of it. It is not the military that he hates, it is how the MIL was used in a wrong war that Obama dislikes, you dig? Does LEB have a clue about the MIL? I doubt it.
3. Obama buys into the "victim" theory of life. People are where they are because it is (ever) someone else's "fault." One's misfortunes are never one's own fault or secondary to one's own doing.
see #1. He clearly was in a place to be a victim but rose above it. Meanwhile, GW was in a place of prominence. Tell me you dont respect what Obama has done with is life?
4. He believes in very big government because the vast majority of the masses or too weak and stupid to run their own lives. (sometimes I think he may actually have a point here - after all they voted for him). He (for whom none of the usual rules apply) can better do it for them since he is smarter and better able to make these decisions. He will also create an class of people dependent on his party and his type of government who will then vote for him (or his party).
You are absurd for making this statement. He surrounds himself with other people who are supposed to me smarter than him in special topics so that he can use their brains in reaching the best decisions. This is totaly counter than GWB's days in office. I manage 4$Billion for the gov. I cannot know everything, I rely on others for their input, but ultimately I am responsible. That is how Obama is doing it, I get it.
5. (Finally!) Obama has a titanic ego that would make GWB look like small potatoes. He is arrogant and self-absorbed believing he has all of the answers when, in fact, he has relatively few of them. No one has all the answers or even a small part of them. Only the arrogant claim to. He has absolutely no integrity having directly gone against so much of what he promised and then so early in his administration. Much was said in the name of getting elected without any true conviction to the principles espoused. Talk is always cheap and many bought it hook line and sinker.
See #4. Arrogance? Who is more arrogant than GWB when he says, "I make the decisions!".
BS, LEB you dont have a freaking clue about his arrogance. However, you do have one point. I despise Presidents who do not hold their political appointees to the same std as normal Feds have to have and OB has screwed up here a couple times. But more than others? NO.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 15, 2009 - 12:05am PT
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skip. skip. skip.
your wildly flailing man. like some blind-folded, ear-plugged assailant swinging at a dodging flea.
but i guess that is how you would need to carry on, hailing the hero's that you do.
anyway. skip.
let me knudge you gently in the side, kinda bro like, and say.... dude, there comes a time when the truth just overpowers your opinion.
that time is now skip.
im sure it is difficult for ya to embrace. realizing that something that you've leaned your heart upon is crumbling.
let it all it skip. your tragedy is not lonesome. many others are crying along side you.
change will plow through despite. we are a nation ready to move foward. far beyond the selfish and excessive ways that you preach and feel entitled to.
ya might as well join the movement, sir. cause the dust of skuttling feat will not cease. we are ecstatic about the new direction of our tribe.
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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Mar 15, 2009 - 12:17am PT
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I love watching you get a new one ripped there skippy.
But at the same time I'm bumbed.
You won't be able to dance anymore.....
Ha Ha!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 15, 2009 - 12:32am PT
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Don't worry - I hear he plans to spend some money on healthcare. Bound to be something in it for nurses. I suspect that there'll be enough to stifle the mostly selfish and idiotological opposition to a single-payer system as used so successfully in most other liberal democracies.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Mar 15, 2009 - 12:44am PT
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LEB, Nov 6, 2008:
"For now, I am willing to give Obama a chance and see what he can do. I am going into this thing with an open mind but I predict the pendulum will start to swing too far in the opposite direction and we will end up with an entirely different set of (equally) undesirable outcomes.
I say, now that Obama is elected, give the man a chance to see what he can do. I am far less "goo-goo" eyed than many here because I temper my expectations with realism. I gave up on the tooth fairy a long time ago but OK maybe it was just me. Maybe there really IS a tooth fairy (eyes rolled) However, the election is over, the people have spoken - OKay, that is just fine. I am willing to sit back and give the man a chance. Now let's see how this man can deliver on what he says."
Sitting back and giving him a chance, eh? Thankfully, you and your cohorts vehemently disagree with him and what he's gotten done in his first 50+ days. Most of us would have something to really worry about if it was the other way around.
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