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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Here's another weather station located at the Minarets Workstation Heliport.
http://www.met.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=MTTC1
The heliport is about 4 miles north of Mammoth Pool reservoir and about 2 miles south of Jackass Rock.
This station does not have a snow pillow - but if the temp shows 34 or below and the humidity is above 90% - good chance that snow is falling even if the rain bucket shows no gain.
BTW - a friend of mine is wintered in at his cabin in the area - talked to him this morning - says it's puking snow with about 6 inches new on top of the 15-18 already on the ground.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Sounds like its on. I'll try and ping some folks later tonight or this weekend since I prolly won't be climbing.
now, about this lopping thing. Don't get me wrong, I've made some trails. And I think trails can really be a good way to minimize plant destruction. It's just that I worry about the perception of heavy handed tactics. I mean, how do hikers create new trails officially? Just because they are part of 'trails' crew doesn't necessarily mean they should get to use explosives to make trails.
http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=43189&sid=90e617c1c8e09d0eebc1defd514f335d
Why not walk around? Redirect the trail? I'm just really confused about the whole standards of creating a hiking trail thang these days.
edit to clarify my irony implied by the explosives cross link.
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Nate D
climber
San Francisco
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Yes, thanks indeed for chiming in Wack!
Would you be able to peg the exact dates or years of your ascents? Future guide or no, some of us are at least trying to compile some accurate historical record of climbing in the area.
And Doug,
Excellent thoughts and writing on the sensitive manzanita chopping ethical debate. I was going to chime in earlier on Munge's subtle query, but didn't have the prerequisite strong opinion on salsa consistency.
Chopping does rub me the wrong way, as my fine climbing comrades know too well. They even threaten to bring trusty Cyndi Lopper to crags with an hour long approach. After all, who in their right mind will ever pass this way again? Then they pull out the old "if you build it, they will come" argument.
I wear my cuts and scrapes for weeks afterwards like a badge of honor - an ever present cherished reminder of my rare adventures into the obscure. I gloat when my kids wince at the site of my legs after a fine day in the brush. I mourn the loss of the peeling scabs.
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tiki-jer
Trad climber
fresno/clovis
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BwaHaaaHaa Haa...........you bushwhacker you!!
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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I know I was really saddened and pissed by the way the forest service f*#ked up the ridge at Tollhouse, when they removed the manzanita from the top... A total joke.
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Strider
Trad climber
one of god's mountain temples....
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Re: loping... I have always been a little uneasy with it myself. I am definitely not a fan walking through the middle of a thicket and cutting my way through. And a lot of the time, it is possible to find a longer, more circuitous way that does not involve so much destruction. Some times it can not be avoided. One of those damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda things.
Dingus said:
"I hear you dude. I don't worry about it myself. What few I've made no one is going to find without explicit directions...Oh well. Tiz better to seek forgiveness than it is permission.
DMT"
I am not trying to rag on you Dingus but how can you say no one will find your trails? There has to be an end point of your trail, some place you thought worthy of cutting your way to, you don't think someone else will see the same thing? Maybe not, just thinking out loud here...
Oh and I think the saying is, "It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission." =)
-n
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Scuff, I want to use explosives too then. :)
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Ropeboy
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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LOST TRAIL: Grand Imperial Highway. I climbed at Tollhouse Rock last weekend and could not find the trail cut through the brush that goes from the bottom of the decent gully to the Tollhouse Traverse area. I traversed left and right three times slong the bottom of the rock utterin' WTF under my breath and finally went further North and used an alternate path. This is a personal mystery to me right now because I am the one who cut the trail. I used this trail only a few weeks ago so it is not a case of being overgrown. I think that I missed the entry to it because I was not looking for it soon enough, or a mass of heavy brush had fallen recently obscuring the path right at the beginning.
Next trip I will be taking some (Gasp!)surveyor's tape to mark the trail.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Some SoYo shots fer yer viewing pleasure -
Slabby dome that sits on the north side of Mammoth Pool Reservoir back by Kaiser Creek -
Boulder the Globe -
Squaw Domes as seen from The Balls -
Roof of The Balls -
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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A ways upthread by now, but I finally found a shot of the South Buttress on Wamello (Fresno) Dome. Not great, but...
This would be pitch 5 or 6. That great lunch platform is in the background. My son Tory, much younger, on his second multipitch.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Doug - a cleaned up version
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Thank you Mike! That's amazing.
Can I ship you all my old slides?
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Sorry Doug - somehow this morning was right for messing with photos. Don't know when that will happen again. You know, it's pretty easy. I spent $60 on Photoshop Elements and have been having a lot of fun.
Mike
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Feb 10, 2009 - 01:15am PT
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you mean this one?
heh, you're looking like you could live on an oil derrick with the droop stache
--whoa, holy edits batman
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crazy horse
Trad climber
seattle, wa
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Feb 10, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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still experimenting with posting photos...
went out to do a route on this rock this fall supposing it to be an FA. Recently acquired ancient route descriptions cast some doubt on this, but i did find an anchor on the huge ledge 2/3 of the way up. Brand new/stainless steel 3/8. Anyone know who put this in? Where the route goes?
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Feb 10, 2009 - 02:51pm PT
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The Balls dwarfted by the Minarets
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Feb 10, 2009 - 02:54pm PT
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Shuteye light
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crazy horse
Trad climber
seattle, wa
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Feb 10, 2009 - 04:13pm PT
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really nice pictures Tork,
i'll see your one rainbow, and raise you one rainbow
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Feb 10, 2009 - 04:35pm PT
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I'll see your rainbow Matt and raise you one giant dinosaur turd
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