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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 11:48am PT
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I have said this before but will repeat. It takes so long to become high in the uniform military I don't think Bush has been able to plant the worms he has placed in Civil Service.
We need to worry about something but something started by Bush is not among them. Also Cheney has effectively been our president and his corporate base will only lose if there is a civil war. If they are wiped out Cheney will not stand to benefit.
We need to worry only about erratic and unprincipled people.
Todd Palin as our effective president would be a real shocker.
Idiocracy.
Idiocracy.
Rent it and see the future.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 12, 2008 - 11:54am PT
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LEB how can you say that? There are millions of uninsured or under insured people who most certainly are NOT getting health care that they need. People WITH insurance have a hard enough time a lot of the time.
I don't think nationalized health care is a magic bullet, but access is the single biggest obstacle right now. I can also tell you from personal experience that Medicaid system is a clusterf*#k and definitely needs streamlining.
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bob d'antonio
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Taos, NM
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:00pm PT
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If these numbers continue...stealing the election will be pretty much impossible.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
Now it will be in the democrats hands to use the great power the Americans people will he giving them.
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:05pm PT
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Lois:
You have not seen my add-on about Todd Palin - obviously. Read today's papers on Trooper-gate. Todd was calling meetings in the governor's office and asking to sit in on cabinet meetings.
Take a look at McCain's face. There is no pink there. You need to go check him out with your stethoscope. It may already be too late.
The multi-day TV report on Iraq sometime ago featured first person testimony regarding Bush telling people to go check things out first with Cheney. As I remember they even said he seemed "afraid" of Cheney.
As to my objectivity, I think I am no less objective than....than....yourself.
God that statement is a plate of spaghetti all by itself.
Love it!
Oh yes. Bush never got the chance to hand over power. He never had it. If he did hand it over though I think he got a good deal for it. That color coordinated chain sawing costume was killer.
Mbb:
Whatever you do don't use the word Communism in association with Federal purchase of the banks. Cause a heart attack. Or perhaps even something more serious.
Like loss of self-confidence.
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mbb
climber
the slick
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:08pm PT
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LEB,
I guess you have been living in a cave recently, but just to bring you up to speed, your republicans just enacted the biggest socialist program in the history of the country, and are now talking about the government taking over ownership of the banks! wake the f*&ck up!
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:18pm PT
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I hate to go back on-topic but from Bloomberg this morning:
Obama Gains in States Such as Iowa, Florida Give National Boost
By James Rowley and Kristin Jensen
Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is moving ahead in a series of new polls from Florida to Iowa, gains that are helping him maintain a national lead over Republican John McCain.
Obama was on top in seven of 11 new state polls, while McCain claimed the advantage in Alabama, and the two were statistically tied in Georgia, North Carolina and one Ohio poll. The Democrat's edge, on average, is now almost 8 percentage points in national polls, according to realclearpolitics.com.
McCain is losing ground to Obama as Americans become more focused on the financial crisis. Polls have long shown that voters trust Obama more than McCain when it comes to handling the economy, and Obama is focusing on the issue at every stop.
``I think people are starting to say to themselves, we're tired of the old ideology,'' Obama, 47, told about 250 donors at an Oct. 10 fundraiser in Philadelphia. He noted that the campaign was gaining points in Republican strongholds such as Virginia, North Carolina and Montana.
The Illinois senator has led McCain by at least 9 percentage points in the Gallup Poll's daily tracking survey in each of the last five days. The latest survey of 2,773 voters conducted Oct. 8-10 showed Obama ahead by 51 percent to 42 percent. The survey has a sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.
State Polls
The gains are reflected in state polls.
In Florida, Obama is ahead 49 percent to 44 percent for McCain, according to a survey by Research 2000 of 600 likely voters taken Oct. 6-8. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. In a poll in mid-September, McCain led Obama by 1 percentage point, 46 percent to 45 percent.
Obama holds a 12 percentage-point lead in Pennsylvania, according to a Muhlenberg College tracking poll of 602 likely voters. That's grown from just 4 points in late September, equal to the survey's margin of error.
In Iowa, a state that President George W. Bush narrowly won four years ago, Obama leads McCain by 13 percentage points, 54 percent to 41 percent, according to a SurveyUSA poll of 692 likely voters conducted Oct. 8-9. Three weeks ago, Obama's lead was slimmer, 54 percent to 43 percent.
In Colorado, Obama is ahead by 10 points, 52 percent to 42 percent, according to a Public Policy Polling survey of 1,331 likely voters conducted Oct. 8-10. That's up from a 7-point lead three weeks ago, the group said.
Key for Republicans
Ohio is of particular interest in the campaign because no Republican candidate has won the presidency without carrying the state. Two recent polls showed gains for Obama, with one giving him the lead in the state and the other a statistical tie.
An Ohio Newspaper poll taken Oct. 4-8 of 876 likely voters found that McCain had 48 percent support to Obama's 46 percent, within the survey's 3.3 percentage point margin of error. Still, Obama gained 4 points from a similar survey three weeks ago, according to the Akron Beacon Journal, one of the newspapers involved in sponsoring the poll.
Another poll found Obama winning in the state. Obama is leading McCain 49 percent to 44 percent, according to an Oct. 9 InsiderAdvantage/Poll Position survey of 509 likely voters with a sampling error of 4 percentage points. That's up from a 2- point lead in a Sept. 29 poll.
Battlegrounds
The race is tight in other battleground states such as North Carolina. McCain leads 48 percent to 46 percent there, according to a WSCO-TV poll taken Oct. 6-7 with a sampling error of 4.5 percentage points. In Georgia, McCain led Obama 49-46 percent, according to an Oct. 9 Insider Advantage/Poll Position survey of 531 likely voters with a sampling error of 4 percentage points.
Each candidate still has solid leads in states that traditionally go for his party. A Survey USA poll in Alabama taken Oct. 8-9 showed McCain, 72, an Arizona senator, leading 62 percent to 35 percent among 697 likely and actual voters.
In Oregon, Obama leads McCain by 54 percent to 43 percent in a Rasmussen survey of 700 likely voters taken on Oct. 9 with a margin of error of four percentage points. In the previous poll on Sept. 15, Obama lead by 51 points to 47 for McCain.
An Oct. 6 Rasmussen poll in Vermont gave Obama a lead of 65 percent to 32 percent over McCain.
The two candidates don't have any major public events today. McCain is in the Washington area, while Obama is flying to Ohio, where he will spend time preparing for the final presidential debate Oct. 15.
To contact the reporter on this story: James Rowley at jarowley@bloomberg.net; Kristin Jensen in Philadelphia at kjensen@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: October 12, 2008 11:33 EDT
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:19pm PT
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Haha exploding in my usual fashion. Christ LEB seriously why do I even bother?
And for god sake's your population doesn't represent everyone and when talking about a national problem. That's great that your patients are getting all the care they need, not everyone is so lucky. We aren't just talking about YOU.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:32pm PT
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The McCain campaign is warning God to let McCain win... or else ruin his (God's) reputation!
From the Los Angeles Times.
Before McCain spoke, a Christian pastor offered a prayer that seemed to ask for divine intervention on his behalf. "There are millions of people around this world praying to their God -- whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah -- that [McCain's] opponent wins for a variety of reasons," Pastor Arnold Conrad said. "And, Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens."
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:37pm PT
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Oh, yes i got a letter from John yesterday while I was at the Highland Games in Ventura.
"Dear Friend:
We've reached a critical juncture in the campaign. The Obama Democrats and their left-wing special interest allies have come together in a united front, combining their enormous fundraising arsenal. Meanwhile the national Democrats led by Chairman Howard Dean are stepping up their cynical campaign of distortions and outright lies, and with the help of their cronies like Moveon.Org are raising staggering amounts of money.
My friend, the last thing we Republicans can afford is to have our hands tied behind our backs due to the fact their candidate broke his promise to the American people and refused to accept a presidential campaign spending limit - which means they will have no limit as to what they can raise and spend".......
"Please make your personal check out to "RNC VICTORY 2008"."
END OF EXCERPT
The Sept. 19 NYT carried a report that McCain was employing subterfuges to circumvent the intent of the McCain-Feingold act. By statute once McCain accepted the eighty four million dollars of Federal money he is prohibited from raising other money to fund his campaign.
Now Obama is reported to have said something( I have not seen it) that McCain asserts is a verbal promise. Let's suppose we give McCain that. But Obama did not sign on the dotted line and accept the Federal money. He did not break the law.
McCain did sign on the dotted line. And now he is breaking the law.
Based upon the last eight years,
who could be surprised?
EDIT:
Lois I referred you to a documentary which in many ways is structured as court testimony would be structured. Surely you saw it?
If not dig it up and learn.
I watched it on the Mac. It is still there. Should not be hard to find.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:40pm PT
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Let's review it THIS way:
1. The LEB makes a statement, that bears little or no resemblance to reality.
2. People, sometimes numerous people, point this out and offer much more accurate observations.
3. LEB ignores number 2 ad nauseum.
4. Two and three tend to become very similar to a recursive algorithm.
5. Some of those people give up. others laugh and then give up. Still others begin to get a little pissed that someone could be so purposefully dense.
6. The LEB gets upset when people call her names for repeatedly ignoring the obvious and refusing to look at facts or read relevant material, and begins accusing people of having no couth, or of being insensitive, or some other less than laudatory state of being.
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dirtineye
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the south
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:46pm PT
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THe LEB wrote about Medicare and medicaid:
"The point is that under the current system of government, they ARE, in fact, getting the care they need. In fact, they get lots and lots of care. I am also aware that not everyone falls under this umbrella, either."
WEll as usual yo uare so full of sh#t there is no room on there for any understanding.
MY doctors, who only see me because they treated me ten years ago and up until I had remission (and while I had real insurance, so they at least got paid) do not take medicaid patients. Some do not take medicare only patients.
My Oncologist wanted to ahve me evaluated at one of the major cancer centers, like MD Anderson, or Mayo, or Sloan Ketterling.
Well, guess what they said?
THEY DON'T SEE MEDICAID PATIENTS. GUESS WHY????
So again, LEB, you are a MORON.
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:49pm PT
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Dirt:
Seems to me the minister realized McCain needs to widen his base so he was trying to appeal to every religion. Lois was just trying to help further McCain's base as she too realizes just us Christians may not be able to bring this off.
Can't hurt to do a little palin around with earth spirits. Right?
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 12:51pm PT
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Kevin:
You have hit the underlying and really serious problem we face - right on the noggin.
A problem that will have to be fought out in the schools for the next fifty years if constitutional democracy is to endure.
The alternative?
Feudalism.
The greatest danger now is not Communism.
It is Feudalism.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 12, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
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Bearing in mind that it is difficult to teach old dogs new tricks, I recommend that Lois read Al Gore's book "The Assault on Reason".
It is astonishing that an educated middle-class professional woman can behave as she does. Even more so in that for practical purposes, she is in one of the most heavily government-regulated and government-financed industries, second only to the military. And she claims not to be religious.
LEB: Let me know if you see any ladybugs. I appreciate that they won't count as alpine ladybugs, but it'd be a start.
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 01:20pm PT
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After crashing five airplanes.
Kerry was "swift-boated."
McCain needs to be "ship-crumpled."
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 12, 2008 - 01:52pm PT
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I think McCains Rovian handlers believe that emotion trumps reason and the only remaining way to defeat Obama is to paint him as a terrorist, closet commie and build a wave of emotion that will sweep over the patriotic hearts of enough voters that enough of them will join the herd to put McCain in the winners circle
Sadly, it creates a scorched-earth america for Obama to try to Unite. McShame!
Peace
Karl
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jstan
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Oct 12, 2008 - 02:31pm PT
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"Rovian."
I think we need to take some star, perhaps presently named KVS110945 and name it "Rove."
You never know. It may have been his home.
Semi-seriously.
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jstan
climber
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Oct 12, 2008 - 06:01pm PT
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Easy big fella. Careful on your use of words.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 12, 2008 - 06:14pm PT
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Didn't Darth Rover come from a death star or some such?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 12, 2008 - 08:11pm PT
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You're right LEB, you were JUST wondering this. JUST like you've wondered it out loud in 15 or 20 other posts in at least 5 or 8 other threads. Tell us about your cat or something equally as interesting and novel.
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