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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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"The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."
- L. Ron Hubbard-
Founder of Scientology/originally a Science Fiction Writer
AF
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there all... just stepped by to see how the ol' campfire was going, here.... very interesting, as usual...
hey there: HI PETER, HAD NOT SEEN YOU ABOUT, FOR AWHILE... hope all is well...say hi, to those that know me over in your area--tell linda a good hearty hello...
hey there to wbraun:
say, keeping the fires warm here, i see... :)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Werner,
The Vedas, Bible, Koran, etc. - there has been an endless stream of such litanies and tracts through history - why latch onto that one versus one of the others? All are claimed to be the 'word of god'; all exist through the hands of men; just how is one to distinguish one from the other for any special merit or claim? How did you? If one is the 'word of god' aren't they all? Or if one is knot, how can any be? Or are all you religious folks here sort of like the 12 blind men and the elephant all laying your hands on the same god and killing each other over difference between a trunk and a tail?
The whole idea that someone, somewhere is keeping track of how knotty or nice I am sounds vaguely familiar, yet he still delivered even when I was knotty. Those clearly must have been my first lessons in forgiveness. But then why wouldn't the end of this road end up under a similar tree regardless of our behaviour here if [a] god exists?
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WBraun
climber
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Because the Vedas are the original.
The Vedas is the transcendental sound vibration non different from the Supreme Lord coming down from the spiritual stratum itself.
The Vedas is the Supreme himself manifest.
Wes says they (Vedas) were written by a ordinary men. This due to his poor fund of knowledge and his devils advocate trolling.
Study them (vedas) yourself, don't take my word for it. Don't ask me all these questions, it's all explained in them.
The were able to understand how to split the atom from the knowledge reveled in the Vedas.
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Oppenheimer recited "I am become death, destroyer of worlds" from the Gita when he saw what his bomb could do, but that's all.
The Vedas are beautiful and evocative poetry. They're not scientific manuals.
But people believe what they want to believe, that's all. There's your free will. The universe is amoral. We make up our own morality as we go along, because we can.
George Carlin is funny. Bet that wouldn't have stirred up any controversy at all.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away--
Half a crate of whisky every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And René Descartes was a drunken fart.
'I drink, therefore I am.'
Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker, But a bugger when he's pissed.
 The Philosophers' Song, by Monty Python's Flying Circus
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WBraun
climber
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They're not scientific manuals.
Test them, you will see that you are mistaken.
And, You guys are trying to save me, to think and be like you.
I will follow you ......? Since you are authority?
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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"Whatever gets you through the night is alright...." (Lennon)
"As long as you don't try dragging my bay, or dropping the bomb on my street" (Hynde)
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WBraun
climber
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So
Western thought has always encouraged self reliance and individualism, which are reflected even in today's street philosophy "Do your own thing".
The Vedic view clashes fiercely with such relativistic thinking. Far from celebrating the authority of the individual mind or autonomy and ascendance of reason, the vedas point out the four fundamental defects of the conditioned souls.
Defects of the conditioned living entities: The tendency to commit mistakes, to be illusioned, to have imperfect sense, and to cheat.
Therefor we have to receive knowledge from those who are liberated. This is the Vedic process.
khanom I will gladly elaborate farther in person with you at any time.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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I continue to appreciate and refer to the (possibly Mojave area) native California people who believed that the proto-beings created the world by rolling their armpit wax into a ball which became the Earth.
So, in my world: Religion is armpit wax.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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How do viruses fit into the vedic view...?
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Werner, have you read all of the Vedas and the Puranas? I've been reading some excerpts lately on the prehistory of India. Good stuff. The Rig Veda would blow peoples minds if they would just open them a bit.
oo oo edit: and I got 4 outta 4 - "The tendency to commit mistakes, to be illusioned, to have imperfect sense, and to cheat."
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WBraun
climber
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Roy
Just the ones I gave up thread. Just only one verse one can spend 100 lifetimes and never come to the end of it's meaning and that verse will still remain ever fresh and new in knowledge.
Virus
The soul is in the child, and the soul is in the body, and the soul is everywhere.
What is the superior power that is enforcing death upon you? You can not stop it.
I have not answered the question as you wanted. It is for you to find and understand.
At the crossroads there will always be the choice to take the correct and direct road.
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2008 - 12:48am PT
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WBraun, I'm feeling you. Neebe, Bruno, Karl, Happie and the rest, thanks. I have gained so much insight from this stupidly titled thread, on a matter that I have questioned one way or another most of my life.
God, or whatever man tries to label it, I believe, in this lifetime, is far beyond what most mortals can comprehend. Some, perhaps can, due to proper training of the mind and ego, quiet and connect to the 'flow' or 'energy', based on a regular 'practice' or form of 'religion'.
Perhaps it is all physics, based on frequency, vibration and the energy that binds all matter. I know there is something, what, definitively, I do not know, who really can?
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2008 - 12:49am PT
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No one has mentioned Urantia. Has anyone read the Book of Urantia?
Catch y'all later.
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WBraun
climber
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No, no, by chance. This is childish reason, "by chance." It is not very good reason.
You must give solid reason.
By chance, I have come in this world, that is not logic.
By chance I have dropped from the sky here.
No sane man will accept, "by chance."
One who does not know, he says chance.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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"No sane man will accept, 'by chance.'"
Why not? Why is there any need for a reason? Stars manage to come and go without one. If they can manage why can't I?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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So if wise and learned MEN can not perceive the purpose to stars coming into and out of existence, then surely there CAN BE NO PURPOSE to it whatsoever in any dimension of creation (or "accident") ??
The LORD of hosts has given purpose to it, to stain the pride of all vainglorius, and bring into contempt all the wise of the earth.
Isa. 23:9
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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If, we are all "one" - a part of a whole - that we humans are like nerve endings in the "being."
We are here and experience sensation of various types - beauty, sadness, hatred, anger, love, trust, fear, wonder..... And thus, the sensations go to the big flying spaghetti monster. We're....noodly appendages!
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